madwolfa
Headphoneus Supremus
Everything matters, but the degree of importance (of certain components) is often much exaggerated.
[1] All digital transports sound different.
[2] There's no way to transfer 0's and 1's without first turning them into an analog signal.
[3] The cables do matter ... and so does the signal being fed into them, aka your transport, whether that be a computer or a CD transport, etc. Specifically, the USB input of the DAC or SPDIF converter you are using makes a big difference. [4] The Schiit gear is incredible for the money [5] but they do not use the best USB input receivers on the market and I have experienced the same type of results that you have. Specifically, using AES/ EBU instead of USB and getting better results. It all depends upon the equipment you are using and the type of cables in each scenario. [6] Everything matters and all 0's and 1's are not created equally.
4. The Schiit gear is schiit for the money, they even tell you that with the name of their company! You can get exactly that level of performance from equipment costing a fraction of the price.
[1] All digital transports sound different.
[2] There's no way to transfer 0's and 1's without first turning them into an analog signal.
[3] The cables do matter ... and so does the signal being fed into them, aka your transport, whether that be a computer or a CD transport, etc. Specifically, the USB input of the DAC or SPDIF converter you are using makes a big difference. [4] The Schiit gear is incredible for the money [5] but they do not use the best USB input receivers on the market and I have experienced the same type of results that you have. Specifically, using AES/ EBU instead of USB and getting better results. It all depends upon the equipment you are using and the type of cables in each scenario. [6] Everything matters and all 0's and 1's are not created equally.
1. No they don't. They may be perceived as all different but not due to their sound.
2. There's no way to listen to digital audio without converting to analog but digital audio data it is NOT turned into an analog signal for transfer, that would defeat the whole purpose of digital audio!
3. Within certain fairly broad limits, no, they don't!
4. The Schiit gear is schiit for the money, they even tell you that with the name of their company! You can get exactly that level of performance from equipment costing a fraction of the price.
5. You don't need the best USB input receivers to get perfect transmission of digital audio data. It's nice to own a Bugatti but driving to the shops in nose to tail traffic, you don't get any better performance than in a Ford Focus.
6. All 0's and 1's are just 0's and 1's, there is no difference or benefit of a high quality 1 or 0 over a poor quality 1 or 0, that was the whole point of inventing digital audio in the first place!
Digital audio is NOT analog audio and is not subject to the same potential issues!
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2. Technically a square wave is an analog signal. These signals are however susceptible to things like jitter (for clocked interfaces) or skew between pos and neg differential lines, as well as noise. The result would be bit errors in the receiver though. Not gain in some part of the spectrum as some people here might be wrongly convinced.
3. Cables do matter. Particularly with fiber...
4. Don't insult other people's choices. If they enjoy the product they spent their money on, who are you to tell them it's crap?
Haha this is an easy answer to this.
Different input, different circuit, different sound.
It's not just the wire , but the different system s as a whole have their own different circuits to your dac.
So there was no way they had a chance to sound identical even if they both were theoretically perfect methods, because they are just plain different methods.
Just because they "Supposed" to use digital, means nothing in terms of similarity, because they handle in totally different digital methods.
"Digital" is a description.
It does NOT mean identical, just because they use digital..
I will make an analogy of "digital", calling it "vanilla":
How may companies make "vanilla ice cream" yet none are identical?
You see?
So what, they both using digital...
Digital is just a method...
that's like saying we both using English language, and you speaking slightly different English than me,
Does it mean English is perfect?
So digital methods are not perfect.
I don't know why this is so often regarded saying..
That all digital is supposed to be perfect or same..
It's just a language or method.
Nothing is perfect.
DUH
BS.
Anyways,
The main common denominator will only be your source file,
As your computer even have different outputs,
So there is nothing identical in this thread title to claim any similarities..
Hahaha.
Haha this is an easy answer to this.
Different input, different circuit, different sound.
It's not just the wire , but the different system s as a whole have their own different circuits to your dac.
So there was no way they had a chance to sound identical even if they both were theoretically perfect methods, because they are just plain different methods.
Just because they "Supposed" to use digital, means nothing in terms of similarity, because they handle in totally different digital methods.
"Digital" is a description.
It does NOT mean identical, just because they use digital..
I will make an analogy of "digital", calling it "vanilla":
How may companies make "vanilla ice cream" yet none are identical?
You see?
So what, they both using digital...
Digital is just a method...
that's like saying we both using English language, and you speaking slightly different English than me,
Does it mean English is perfect?
So digital methods are not perfect.
I don't know why this is so often regarded saying..
That all digital is supposed to be perfect or same..
It's just a language or method.
Nothing is perfect.
DUH
BS.
Anyways,
The main common denominator will only be your source file,
As your computer even have different outputs,
So there is nothing identical in this thread title to claim any similarities..
Hahaha.
dig·it·al
ˈdijidl/
adjective
1.
(of signals or data) expressed as series of the digits 0 and 1, typically represented by values of a physical quantity such as voltage or magnetic polarization.
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Given this common definition of digital, the transport should not matter. If I tell you 001100 over the phone, in person, or through a tin can and your write it down, unless you write down the wrong numbers (unlikely with today's tech), you still get 001100
Jesus.
Digital describes the format of the data. The interface over which it is transmitted is 100% irrelevant as long as the data is not corrupted.
I don't care how "angry" or "happy" or "sad" the transceivers are.
I think now I've heard everything.
Sent from my E5803 using a highly trained, special forces carrier pigeon
Jesus.
Digital describes the format of the data. The interface over which it is transmitted is 100% irrelevant as long as the data is not corrupted.
I don't care how "angry" or "happy" or "sad" the transceivers are.
I think now I've heard everything.
Sent from my E5803 using a highly trained, special forces carrier pigeon
Dude, he was joking about that.
We he wasn't joking about how the digital data is fed into the analog converter. There certainly could be timing issues, but that usually translates into jitter, right? I've experienced noise on my USB connection with one particularly quirky DAC, and no issues with that same DAC using optical.
That all said, it appears there is no scientific reason for one transport over another (that I've read about, anyways). Some people claim to hear a difference, and only DBT can prove or disprove them. I've some bulls*t stuff linked from AudioStream from Michael Lavorgna, which I do not respect much, on this topic.
I guess I'm going with "no difference" until I'm convinced otherwise. My personal AB testing resulted in me not hearing any difference, but that is just one data-point.