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im still in... id like to know the details of were this is all happening though...
look forward to that PM.
look forward to that PM.
I can't come! Darn it!
I have a MSPro, HD580, D5000, AKG K400 and K500 etc (see my profile). If anyone wants to listen to anything on my list please say it so we can arrange.
The K400 and K500 is pretty sweet, btw
im still in... id like to know the details of were this is all happening though...
look forward to that PM.
only $200-300 away, where's your commitment (hmmm, ok that's a nexus 7 right there)? Townsville - up, down, left, right?
not sure why Tralucent pulled out. They didn't give a reason. Maybe busy with CES, maybe on holidays. Maybe because I openly criticized their marketing/pricing [to the point of being banned from that thread(for DBT discussions outside of sound sci forums, not flaming)] and invited their now direct competitor Rhapsodio who they were formerly affiliated with to the meet via proxy
I would've loved to compare Tralucent's 1+2v2 to Rhapsodio's RDB Plus 2BA+DD hybrid (will bring the RDP+ demo unit to the meet/review/let other people review it as well)
I think 1+2v2 is extremely overpriced ($1400, really?) and Tralucent want to recoup all of the R&D/establishment costs now[alternative theory from someone else here]/are skimming on the hype and audiophiles and compulsorily bundling cables/claiming sound differences for silver internal wiring or silver cables. I personally don't like any of that a single bit. Didn't even like the pricing for 1+2v1.
Rhapsodio's RDP Plus is a DD + TWFK (2BA + DD) hybrid, and a second iteration product as well, and is priced at less than half of what Tralucent are asking for their hybrid.
Not to mention Swinwoo's T-PEOS H-200 (also their second try at hybrids), VSONIC 7007 and other TWFK + DD based IEMs soon to come out priced at around $300, or things like AS-2 (huge dd + unknown BAs, and some interesting features) and Merlin (2twfk + dd)
Re: 1+2v2 - That said - if you're into that sort of marketing and loved the sound, have a spare 1.5k, by all means.
Awww...c'mon! You can't simplify this 100 yr old art into just "red paint"! It's a technique with lacquer !
Anyhow wasn't Oz the place where the TH-900s were sold for something like $1500-1600 last month? Made the rest of the world jealous (except Japan, naturally).
thought you were interested in purchasing the earlier versions that were around $800 intro price? I believe you heard the older versions - did you get one in the end?
the rest incl pricing and expectation bias and ...
Tell me do you believe Sennheiser are trying to recoup market/advertising/R&D costs from their HD800 or is that price justified unlike the 1P2 (leave alone the fact that one is an IEM and the other a full sized can)?
Surely by now Tralucent are somewhat established..
Don't see the reason to single out Tralucent price and compare directly to Rhapsodio here
... Just a bit odd that you single out Tralucent and then mention their supposedly direct competitor.
call me a disinterested third party but I am excited to see how Tralucent grows.
Townsville?!!! How on Earth did you get that info? Anyways have fun at the meet! ( no reason for this smiley...I was just hungry).
Well, I'm not convinced - You trust lee and gg, and bought a $1.4k IEM? Great.
You think doubling the price and passing it on to consumers because your initial product wasn't great is a good call - great.
However, you may well find down the track that RDP+, or 7007 or H-200 or AS9 or AS2 are as good or better in one way or another. [or people who don't necessarily know which IEM costs what incorporating your expectation bias argument above, which also applies to the marketing claims of tralucent re their IEMs/pricing for your trusted reviewers]
Or if you down the track decide that the criteria used in the reviews differ to yours
Heard the old version. $800 was too much for it, personally [plus it could've used more prominent lower mids and upper mids sparkle]. Again, for reasons of TWFK + DD alternatives for less soon, or CI + TWFK alternatives now. $1400 for TWFK + DD is crazy.
The comparison you're trying to make doesn't make sense to me [economies of scale/type of business aside]: own acoustics and materials lab and developing your own drivers/chamber/vent, etc from different/innovative materials to constructing a cross-over [standard electronics/experimentation, some measurement if own an ear coupler, etc] and acrylic shells [std equipment] and employing off-the shelf drivers[incidentally, the twfk in front of DD design was first in K3003]?
don't they have about 5 customers for the IEMs[half for v1]? and the initial demo unit failed on tour on the first person reviewing it?
To be fair I also singled AKG out with k3003 [and at the time AKG was innovating to a point and have much more of a claim to price skimming than tralucent]. Comparing to other companies employing the similar drivers (DD + TWFK), or more or less the same drivers [Mentioned at least 4 other companies with similar products] is perfectly valid. As for Rhapsodio - shared roots with Tralucent. I've already stated why I dislike Tralucent re pricing and marketing compared to the other 4. By the same token I greatly respect say Heir audio who don't make any of the said marketing claims =) . It's perfectly valid to express my opinion of thinking it's overpriced, dubious and there may be cheaper options. If you think Tralucent is magically superior to the other 4, because they price it at 1.4k 'because they can/want to recoup costs' - it's your right
That's your right as a person paying $1.4k for TWFK +DD. In my opinion, they just want to price themselves as an exclusive product, but I can't see why they're better than say Cosmic Ears[self fulfilling prophecy - yay]
Look, all I hear is 'stop being mean to tralucent' and a bunch of optimism that doesn't make sense to the way I think about things + a different attitude to spending money on IEMs, so let's agree to disagree, clearly your internal valuation models for IEMs and opinions on marketing differ from mine. I think it's hyped and overpriced. Yay Tralucent is also valid.
Population/probability wise people go for Townsville, Cairns or Bris. Although Brisbane is clearly not far northor north qld.
Actually they have quite a bit more than just 5 customers Svyr. At least from what I've been told they are booked right now in terms of the 1Plus2 sales which is good for them. The reviews will speak for themselves opposed to your speculation.
You think doubling the price and passing it on to consumers because your initial product wasn't great is a good call - great.
However, you may well find down the track that RDP+, or 7007 or H-200 or AS9 or AS2 are as good or better in one way or another.
That's a big "May" . Also if I remember correctly from your early posts on the Tralucent thread you were quite impressed with the first model as a matter of fact. Even I was very impressed with them and to be honest still am. Just when I do direct comparisons to the newer model am I left underwhelmed.
I was impressed with the sub-bass and over all sound less mids sparkle, until it came to the wallet. [unequalized: 1+2v1 ~ LCD2, Merlin - Stax O2]. Again, the salient point being comparison against similar DD + TWFK offerings.
I'll take my chancesthat's 4 chances - 1 per DD+TWFK IEM that's not 1+2v2. I don't have 1.4k that's burning my pocket now, or... [for Gavin who wishes his product to be extra high end for reasons I can't grasp and in philosophies I don't approve of].
In all honesty, I have never met nor have had contact with you, but please stop mentioning me by name. I don't know you!
You can have your personal thoughts, choose the way you spend money and post whatever you like, that is your prerogative.......
Thank you!
Could we keep posts relevant to the meet please?