Can a fuse alter sound qaulity of an amp?

[IPodPJ]

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Originally Posted by milkweg /img/forum/go_quote.gif "All this controversy about cables tends to lead people down the wrong path," he continued. "People talk about how cables sound. Well, obviously, cables shouldn't have a 'sound.' There shouldn't be anything you can pin down as to what a cable is doing to a system. If it's doing anything, it's doing something that shouldn't be there." Chris Russell, Bryston's Vice President of Engineering

"Perhaps it's not so much about what a good cable is doing as what a bad cable is preventing from getting to your ears." --- IPodPJ

 

[jirams]

Back to the OP's question - some folks believe in ghosts, flying saucers and weapons of mass destruction in Iraq as well.

 

[tourmaline]

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Originally Posted by milkweg /img/forum/go_quote.gif "All this controversy about cables tends to lead people down the wrong path," he continued. "People talk about how cables sound. Well, obviously, cables shouldn't have a 'sound.' There shouldn't be anything you can pin down as to what a cable is doing to a system. If it's doing anything, it's doing something that shouldn't be there." Chris Russell, Bryston's Vice President of Engineering

Exactly, that's why some cables are better then others since they don't alter the signal! Some cables are more transparent then others. The megabucks cables are more transparent and neutral, same goes for interconnects; the higher you go up, the more transparent and lifelike it sounds. You'll have to hear it for yourself to believe but unfortunately it's true.

Over 20 years of audio experience (listening/modding) never found me the miracle 5 dollar cable, sorry. For a really good cable you still gotta pay.

 

[tourmaline]

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Originally Posted by jirams /img/forum/go_quote.gif Back to the OP's question - some folks believe in ghosts, flying saucers and weapons of mass destruction in Iraq as well.

Some listen themselfs and don't blab after some other people or reading just theory! Theory doesn't listen to your music, your ears do, simple as that!

Theory is still theory and has to be tested in practise and most of the time both don't match, as in practise it's mostly different as one might expect in theory. That is how it always has been!

So, instead of reading tons of paper, listen before you judge.

I can tell you one thing; if you would put an amp together all based on theory it would sound like crap! Amps, speakers or any other hi fi device is tweaked with/by ears, especially speakers.

 

[tourmaline]

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Originally Posted by Sovkiller /img/forum/go_quote.gif I suggest you to use less your ears and read more and more theory, the more you use your ears, the more you will be convinced the deceiving they are...you can fool your ears with .5db or even less in difference in just the volume for example, the instruments do not lie, the ears do all the time...

my ears won't lie either. instruments present data and it is to a human to interprete the data!....get it...humans........
If we take a certain effect into account; the one that says that if you think everything sounds the same, it will sound the same or if you think there is a difference you'll hear a difference, they might interprete the data quite differently. Since most engeneers are trained to say there CAN"T be a difference in practise it DOESN"t mean there IS no difference. It might come as a shock to you but there is! The better the amp and cables get, the bigger the differences are how much more easy you'll hear those differences!

So, 2 different humans might interprete the data differently, exactly why there are different sounding amps, cdplayers, speakers because all of the designers follow their own theory and taste of sound. period!

So, a cap is cap right, not so! caps sound all different, so do resistors etc!

Most people i know talking all theory don't actually ever listen to real instruments and don't know exactly HOW real natural instruments really sound. Some equipment is way of, not sounding even near the instrument they try to represent. Also some high end equipment as well, tonailty isn't right or too much detail, wich an instrument never produces etc. That's what you get when you actually don't listen to tweak your product but all do it on theory!

A schematic is theory, when the amp is build and doesn't sound satisfactory, it's back to the drawing board, that is practise!

 

[tourmaline]

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Originally Posted by IPodPJ /img/forum/go_quote.gif "Perhaps it's not so much about what a good cable is doing as what a bad cable is preventing from getting to your ears." --- IPodPJ

you got it!

 

[milkweg]

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Originally Posted by tourmaline /img/forum/go_quote.gif Over 20 years of audio experience (listening/modding) never found me the miracle 5 dollar cable, sorry. For a really good cable you still gotta pay.

Nice try but I am not buying it. If what you say is true then the article I pointed to wouldn't have hard evidence that people fail blind ABX cable tests every time.

 

[milkweg]

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Originally Posted by tourmaline /img/forum/go_quote.gif Over 20 years of audio experience (listening/modding) never found me the miracle 5 dollar cable, sorry. For a really good cable you still gotta pay.

I paid $100.00 for an interconnect between my cd player and amp back in 1994 and can't say I ever noticed a difference. How much do I need to pay before I notice a difference?

 

[jirams]

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Originally Posted by milkweg /img/forum/go_quote.gif I paid $100.00 for an interconnect between my cd player and amp back in 1994 and can't say I ever noticed a difference. How much do I need to pay before I notice a difference?

All cables exhibit resistance, capacitance, inductance and 'black magic'. You are not paying enough for the magic bit

 

[milkweg]

Give me a ballpark figure for the magic bit. I need me some voodoo in my set up.

BTW, the interconnects I am using now are Rocketfish and they are not junk but they are not esoteric either. Can buy them at any BestBuy or Futureshop. Someone look at the url and tell me what is wrong with those cables and why a $6,000.00 cable will sound better. They are half the price of Monster cables too. Welcome to Rocketfish

 

[MaZa]

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Exactly, that's why some cables are better then others since they don't alter the signal! Some cables are more transparent then others. The megabucks cables are more transparent and neutral, same goes for interconnects; the higher you go up, the more transparent and lifelike it sounds.

But then you can just add thicker cable, so the electrons can flow more freely without resistance, as that is what electricity is, flow of electrons.

 

[jirams]

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Originally Posted by milkweg /img/forum/go_quote.gif Give me a ballpark figure for the magic bit. I need me some voodoo in my set up. BTW, the interconnects I am using now are Rocketfish and they are not junk but they are not esoteric either. Can buy them at any BestBuy or Futureshop. Someone look at the url and tell me what is wrong with those cables and why a $6,000.00 cable will sound better. They are half the price of Monster cables too. Welcome to Rocketfish

Ballpark is as much as your credibility will allow

 

[tourmaline]

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Originally Posted by MaZa /img/forum/go_quote.gif But then you can just add thicker cable, so the electrons can flow more freely without resistance, as that is what electricity is, flow of electrons.

As is said before i experimented extensively with cables and interconnects over the years and i found that thicker cables loose focus! yet tend to sound a bit warmer. That's why you don't find extreem thick cables concerning core. They are so thick because of the shielding and outer shells.

Also insulation material has influence on how a core/cable sounds.

 

[tourmaline]

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Originally Posted by milkweg /img/forum/go_quote.gif Nice try but I am not buying it. If what you say is true then the article I pointed to wouldn't have hard evidence that people fail blind ABX cable tests every time.

You forgot to mention that some people don't!

Most people doing blind tests in their own home rigs do find differences in cables. Large blind tests are not as good as doing it in your own home, where it is quite, not stressfull and you'll listen when you feel rested.

I published figures of cables measured and there was quite a difference in those figures concerning capacitance, resistance and inductance.

The best cable measured about 600 and 800 times better then the worst cables. not figures you can easally dismiss.

Still figures don't tell me anything; an amp on paper that looks superieur can sound crap. Tube amps with terrible measurements can smoke those amps sound wise, also visa versa.

It's not in the figures, well for cables you have to take some physics into account but more WICH materials you use and HOW you use them in a product. Too much people are figure peepers and don't use their ears.

one other thing;

a measuring instrument cannot tell you how i perceive the music!

That is why alot of people describe the same set differently, it might sound musical, harsh, soft, powerfull, whatever. ears are generally not the same, as people are. period.

Even amps and all electrics deteriate; caps and resistors don't have eternal life and change sound caracter over time.

 

[colonelkernel8]

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Originally Posted by tourmaline /img/forum/go_quote.gif my ears won't lie either. instruments present data and it is to a human to interprete the data!....get it...humans........ If we take a certain effect into account; the one that says that if you think everything sounds the same, it will sound the same or if you think there is a difference you'll hear a difference, they might interprete the data quite differently. Since most engeneers are trained to say there CAN"T be a difference in practise it DOESN"t mean there IS no difference. It might come as a shock to you but there is! The better the amp and cables get, the bigger the differences are how much more easy you'll hear those differences! So, 2 different humans might interprete the data differently, exactly why there are different sounding amps, cdplayers, speakers because all of the designers follow their own theory and taste of sound. period! So, a cap is cap right, not so! caps sound all different, so do resistors etc! Most people i know talking all theory don't actually ever listen to real instruments and don't know exactly HOW real natural instruments really sound. Some equipment is way of, not sounding even near the instrument they try to represent. Also some high end equipment as well, tonailty isn't right or too much detail, wich an instrument never produces etc. That's what you get when you actually don't listen to tweak your product but all do it on theory! A schematic is theory, when the amp is build and doesn't sound satisfactory, it's back to the drawing board, that is practise!

I am a musician. I hear live music almost every day. I know what live music sounds like. Power cords do NOT make any difference to how music is reproduced, what really matters is the quality of the speaker/driver and the quality of the recording above all else. If a component's power supply is designed as it should be, then the Power Cord physically cannot make a difference. Therefore any interpreted difference is false, its placebo. Let the flaming begin.

Additionally: Human ears are nowhere near as sensitive as equipment, like thousands of times less sensitive in fact. So how can you hear what the equipment cannot measure? You can't.

Of course all this has been said before, and I apologize for it being off topic, but fuses are in the same boat.