[Flatboy]

After searching this forum for weeks I've come to a conclusion that the most suitable cans for me are either the Beyer DT531 or DT990pro ( maybe even DT770pro..) I like a wide soundstage and really solid bass. I listen to mainly trance and other dance stuff. But the problem is that how would the Beyers be driven by my Yamaha integrated amplifier. I'm not planning to buy a head amp near future.. would those Beyers sound muddy and dark on my system?

Here is the info on my headphone jack:

Output Level (8 ohms, 0.015% THD)...0.33V
Impedence........................................6 80 ohms

Is that bad?

 

[Driftwood]

you know, I just don't get it, people are willing to spend a fotune on headphones but aren't willing to pay a dime on an amp. The amp is an important part, and should not be overlooked. Consider something like a DIY amp or an airhead even, it is most likely better than whatever yamaha hacked together to put into the integrated amp.

Driftwood

 

[Snufkin]

The DT531s have a nice wide soundstage, but the 770pros have better bass response if that's what you're after.

I'm not a big fan of the 990s myself, I found the bass to be a little slow and muddy and the soundstage didn't seem any better than that of the 770s.

 

[HighwayStar]

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Originally posted by Driftwood you know, I just don't get it, people are willing to spend a fotune on headphones but aren't willing to pay a dime on an amp. The amp is an important part, and should not be overlooked. Consider something like a DIY amp or an airhead even, it is most likely better than whatever yamaha hacked together to put into the integrated amp. Driftwood

In all fairness, it wasn't until I was enlightened on boards like this that I learned the HP jacks on a alot of equipment is purely an afterthought. And how much difference an amp can make in the sound of your phones... I am only beginning this adventure...

 

[gloco]

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Originally posted by Flatboy After searching this forum for weeks I've come to a conclusion that the most suitable cans for me are either the Beyer DT531 or DT990pro ( maybe even DT770pro..) I like a wide soundstage and really solid bass. I listen to mainly trance and other dance stuff. But the problem is that how would the Beyers be driven by my Yamaha integrated amplifier. I'm not planning to buy a head amp near future.. would those Beyers sound muddy and dark on my system? Here is the info on my headphone jack: Output Level (8 ohms, 0.015% THD)...0.33V Impedence........................................6 80 ohms Is that bad?

Wanna know something? I have a Yamaha RX-V493 receiver and it drives my Beyer 770's beautifully. The bass is excellent (as it should be) and everytrhing else comes together just perfectly. Definitely not murky, the cans almost sound bright due to the Yamaha's signature brightness and tight controlled bass which will helps keep the Beyer 770's bass response from becoming bloated.

The 493 HP jack drives all my headphones with ease in comparison to my altoids and cmoy amp. I don't know what kind of receiver's these other guys have, but i don't think you'll need a DIY amp just to make your headphones sound murky in comparison. Look into the 770's, try to see if you can demo them, plus, snufkin is our resident Beyer expert

 

[Snufkin]

whoa there, I don't think I'm an expert - specialist perhaps, but I owe a lot of my knowledge to Tomcat's and lini's recommendations

 

[gloco]

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Originally posted by Snufkin whoa there, I don't think I'm an expert - specialist perhaps, but I owe a lot of my knowledge to Tomcat's and lini's recommendations

Hehe, yeah, lets see what their recommendations will be, especially lini.

 

[dhwilkin]

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gloco said... plus, snufkin is our resident Beyer expert

/eyes Snufkin's empty custom title space...

 

[Snufkin]

Perhaps expert at expressing an opinion regarding Beyers, but that's about as far as I'd go!

 

[lini]

My recommendation? Well, the DT531 would be a good choice, I think. I still like it best among the Beyers, I've tried (DT531, DT250/250, DT990Pro/250, DT770/Pro, DT250/80), both comfort- and soundwise. And there should be no problem driving the phone from a receiver. Other choices could be the AKG K240S, the Philips HP890 or maybe some Audio Technica (perhaps the ATH-AD5).

Greetings from Munich!

Manfred / lini

 

[Tomcat]

Flatboy,

This is how I'd rank the Beyer headphones:
1. DT 770 Pro
2. DT 990 Pro
3. DT 531
4. DT 250-80

All of them are very fine, enjoyable and musical headphones with very solid bass response. The DT 250-80 has the smallest soundstage, the DT 250-250 is very likely better (that's what lini says and Beyerdynamic has claimed the same thing), but I have never heard it.

When gloco says the Beyer 770 Pro works beautifully with his Yamaha receiver, then it's very likely that it will work beautifully with your Yamaha receiver as well, Flatboy. The only headphone jack that has too little power for my 770 Pros is that of my portable CDP. But to my ears, even my PC's CD drive and my CD writer power the 770 just fine.

The closed 770 Pro has the deepest and most impactful bass response of all Beyer headphones, it's just as excellent as Snufkin and Gloco have said, but to my ears, even its soundstage is superior to that of the semi-open 990 Pro and 531. There might be less "airiness" and maybe less instrument seperation but there is a clearer sense of space, of the dimensions of the recording venue and of the size of the instruments in it. The 770 Pro has so much bass extension that one can perceive the boundaries of the studio or the concert hall, how the place is energized by the bass frequencies and how the soundwaves are bouncing off of the walls. If the tracks in a mix have been recorded in different recording booths, that's what you will be able to hear with the 770 Pro. To my ears, the 770 Pro provides the most ambience clues, and the most solid, believable and physical soundstage of all the Beyers. With the 770 Pro, instruments have the most body, dimension and realism.

 

[Flatboy]

Thank you very much for your advices!

I think I'll probably go with the 770pro's. Tomcat really made me change my mind. I was already pretty sure to get the DT531's but now I think that the 770's are exactly what I need.

I'll let you guys know when I get those in my hands! I can't wait!

 

[lini]

Flatboy: <mumblemumble> exaggerated bass, clamping force like a vice, higher price... <mublemumble> are you sure you really want the dt770pro/250 instead of the dt531?

Mumblings from Munich!

Manfred / lini

 

[gloco]

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Originally posted by lini Flatboy: <mumblemumble> exaggerated bass, clamping force like a vice, higher price... <mublemumble> are you sure you really want the dt770pro/250 instead of the dt531? Mumblings from Munich! Manfred / lini

Hey! Don't me take a plane over there!

Seriously, flatboy, if you have a BIG head, avoid the 770's, they will kill your head. Plus, the cord is very short. That's about the two negative aspects of this wonderful headphone.

 

[Flatboy]

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Originally posted by lini Flatboy: <mumblemumble> exaggerated bass, clamping force like a vice, higher price... <mublemumble> are you sure you really want the dt770pro/250 instead of the dt531? Mumblings from Munich! Manfred / lini

Yeah, I'm pretty sure.. but if I get a chance I will definitely try the dt531's too.. cause I don't wanna regret afterwards should I have bought the other one instead..