Beyerdynamic T5 (3rd Generation)

May 17, 2024 at 8:24 AM Post #766 of 814
I should also post an update on the thread about using Yaxi pads to improve the comfort (I find the clamp force too strong, even after mild bending of bracket).

They have made the comfort much better, fitting to the contour of the head better and allowing me to wear the T5's for much longer periods of time! I don't think the sound change was drastic....but it is hard to objectively tell since it would take too much time switching back and forth to accurately figure that out.

I should have ordered the K271 pads, but got the Angled TH900 pads, which also fit.....and I think this made an even bigger difference for the comfort.
 
Jul 22, 2024 at 6:54 PM Post #768 of 814
Can anyone give some comparisons of the T5.3 to the Sony MDR-Z1R?

I am going to go ahead and answer my own question and provide some observations for anyone else who may be deliberating between these two headphones. I prefer closed back headphones with a good amount of bass presence without venturing into bass-cannon territory, so YMMV.

After a week with the T5 3rd gen, I have to say I am enjoying it more than after the week I had with the Z1R. The biggest differences to me off the bat were the treble, mids, and soundstage.

Both are just as detailed in the treble, with just differences in the presentation. Z1R treble has a peakiness that came off as harsh to my ears at times, with noticeable sibilance on some tracks. I am very sensitive to treble and even with some EQ, I could not make this quality go away completely, with more dramatic EQ leading to noticeable sound degradation. When the track was not affected by this, music sounded great, but when it was affected, it was unlistenable to my ears. Female vocals and violins were affected the most, which I do listen to a good amount. I don't get this at all with the T5. It is bright and airy up top, but I do not get fatigued. I do hear a bit more sparkle with the T5 treble and it does come across ever so slightly more forward. Treble tends to sound a bit smoother on the Z1R. YMMV and preferences need to be taken into account. For me, I much prefer the T5's presentation.

For the mids, T5 has much more presence and more warmth and body. On the Z1R, mids take a backseat and feel very scooped out, almost "missing", though the bass and treble compensate and pull the overall sound signature together. Mids are very important to me, so I give the nod to the T5 as they sound more natural and balanced.

For bass, I think the Z1R have slightly more extension, but it does trade off by sounding a bit looser at times. Bass on these is very obvious and it's a very big sound. T5 bass presentation is slightly different-- it sounds more accurate and punchy to me, and makes itself known mostly when it is needed. Yet is not missing out on impact or presence. So to me, bass on T5 leads them to have an overall more natural sound because it's not as in-your-face and only when it is called for. But when it is called for, it goes low and hard as well, and does not sound "tubby". When I first listened to the Z1R, I had the overall impression of a Sony XM wireless headphone on steroids. Their house sound is there for sure, but it is a very refined version of it. T5 bass is the same high quality as well, though I do have to bump 55Hz by 3dB to get to perfection. This also brings even more body and warmth to the mids, which I loved, all without sacrificing clarity. Z1R benefits from sounding huge due to the bass and soundstage, but to my ears, is also more colored. Bass on both these phones are obviously deserving to be on a TOTL headphone, and I do prefer the more refined version on the T5. I feel the T5 complements another favorite of mine, the B&W P9, which has great bass and big sound like the Z1R, but which has some muddiness at times.

For soundstage, Z1R has a more open and bigger one compared to the T5, though it is not small by any means on T5. If Z1R has a 10/10 soundstage size for a closed back, I would give T5 an 8.5/10. If you want to be critical about it, Z1R has a very colored sound because it constantly comes across as playing music in a big hall or in a cavern, though it is a pleasing effect if you don't overanalyze it, but is still not as natural as an open-back or a pair of speakers. The effect is not as obvious on the T5, so again, I think I come back to the same descriptor of it being more natural-sounding here, even if it is not as overtly big.

Lastly, build quality and comfort. I would say the Z1R win in build here. Fit and finish and materials and presentation are top notch here. Sony had done well with these. On the other hand, Beyerdynamic design and construction are a half notch below, but they are by no means cheap feeling, though I would have liked to see real leather and an anodized finish on the yoke that are a bit more durable. T5 take it in terms of comfort. They are much lighter and smaller and more comfortable on the head. I couldn't help but laugh at myself in the mirror with the Z1R on given how monstrous they looked and I could not lay down in bed with them. The T5 disappear on the head and I like how cheap and easy it seems to be to get replacement parts for Beyerdynamic.

So all in all, slightly different flavors of a similar sound signature and both deserving of the TOTL moniker, but it's the little things at the end of the day that matter, and to me, it was the treble that was the deciding factor. Look forward to getting many hours of listening time on these T5.
 
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Jul 24, 2024 at 3:33 PM Post #769 of 814
I am going to go ahead and answer my own question and provide some observations for anyone else who may be deliberating between these two headphones. I prefer closed back headphones with a good amount of bass presence without venturing into bass-cannon territory, so YMMV.

After a week with the T5 3rd gen, I have to say I am enjoying it more than after the week I had with the Z1R. The biggest differences to me off the bat were the treble, mids, and soundstage.

Both are just as detailed in the treble, with just differences in the presentation. Z1R treble has a peakiness that came off as harsh to my ears at times, with noticeable sibilance on some tracks. I am very sensitive to treble and even with some EQ, I could not make this quality go away completely, with more dramatic EQ leading to noticeable sound degradation. When the track was not affected by this, music sounded great, but when it was affected, it was unlistenable to my ears. Female vocals and violins were affected the most, which I do listen to a good amount. I don't get this at all with the T5. It is bright and airy up top, but I do not get fatigued. I do hear a bit more sparkle with the T5 treble and it does come across ever so slightly more forward. Treble tends to sound a bit smoother on the Z1R. YMMV and preferences need to be taken into account. For me, I much prefer the T5's presentation.

For the mids, T5 has much more presence and more warmth and body. On the Z1R, mids take a backseat and feel very scooped out, almost "missing", though the bass and treble compensate and pull the overall sound signature together. Mids are very important to me, so I give the nod to the T5 as they sound more natural and balanced.

For bass, I think the Z1R have slightly more extension, but it does trade off by sounding a bit looser at times. Bass on these is very obvious and it's a very big sound. T5 bass presentation is slightly different-- it sounds more accurate and punchy to me, and makes itself known mostly when it is needed. Yet is not missing out on impact or presence. So to me, bass on T5 leads them to have an overall more natural sound because it's not as in-your-face and only when it is called for. But when it is called for, it goes low and hard as well, and does not sound "tubby". When I first listened to the Z1R, I had the overall impression of a Sony XM wireless headphone on steroids. Their house sound is there for sure, but it is a very refined version of it. T5 bass is the same high quality as well, though I do have to bump 55Hz by 3dB to get to perfection. This also brings even more body and warmth to the mids, which I loved, all without sacrificing clarity. Z1R benefits from sounding huge due to the bass and soundstage, but to my ears, is also more colored. Bass on both these phones are obviously deserving to be on a TOTL headphone, and I do prefer the more refined version on the T5. I feel the T5 complements another favorite of mine, the B&W P9, which has great bass and big sound like the Z1R, but which has some muddiness at times.

For soundstage, Z1R has a more open and bigger one compared to the T5, though it is not small by any means on T5. If Z1R has a 10/10 soundstage size for a closed back, I would give T5 an 8.5/10. If you want to be critical about it, Z1R has a very colored sound because it constantly comes across as playing music in a big hall or in a cavern, though it is a pleasing effect if you don't overanalyze it, but is still not as natural as an open-back or a pair of speakers. The effect is not as obvious on the T5, so again, I think I come back to the same descriptor of it being more natural-sounding here, even if it is not as overtly big.

Lastly, build quality and comfort. I would say the Z1R win in build here. Fit and finish and materials and presentation are top notch here. Sony had done well with these. On the other hand, Beyerdynamic design and construction are a half notch below, but they are by no means cheap feeling, though I would have liked to see real leather and an anodized finish on the yoke that are a bit more durable. T5 take it in terms of comfort. They are much lighter and smaller and more comfortable on the head. I couldn't help but laugh at myself in the mirror with the Z1R on given how monstrous they looked and I could not lay down in bed with them. The T5 disappear on the head and I like how cheap and easy it seems to be to get replacement parts for Beyerdynamic.

So all in all, slightly different flavors of a similar sound signature and both deserving of the TOTL moniker, but it's the little things at the end of the day that matter, and to me, it was the treble that was the deciding factor. Look forward to getting many hours of listening time on these T5.
Have you also heard denon d7200?
 
Nov 6, 2024 at 1:17 PM Post #770 of 814
It's been mentioned a few times that isolation is decent on the T5, I'd just like to fish for any more reports?

Also, how is fatigue for long sessions with both comfort and sound?

I currently own DT1990 for everyday/studio use and thinking about having a closed back smooth headphone for long sessions. They would need to walk all over the DT770 for being 10x the price!
 
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Nov 7, 2024 at 6:09 PM Post #771 of 814
It's been mentioned a few times that isolation is decent on the T5, I'd just like to fish for any more reports?

Also, how is fatigue for long sessions with both comfort and sound?

I currently own DT1990 for everyday/studio use and thinking about having a closed back smooth headphone for long sessions. They would need to walk all over the DT770 for being 10x the price!

Yes, the isolation is as good as any other closed back I've had - though there could be better isolating cans out there.


Fatigue is a bit personal - I generally take a break after an album or two max, and often less...but YMMV. I have changed out to angled pads to make them more comfortable, but this is an issue for me with all Beyer headphones and some others with stronger clamp force than I'd like. I've had a more comfortable experience and less fatigue with my DCA Noire's, but I sold them (they are uber comfortable....but lack dynamics) in favour of the T5. If you can wear the DT1990's for long periods...I don't see why the T5 would be different.

I EQ mine slightly, and I would highly recommend looking at a used pair in the classified. I got a basically new pair 40% reduced....which made me less concerned about that value proposition. Like other beyers, they are built well, so some mild use is nothing. BIFL cans.
 
Nov 30, 2024 at 10:54 AM Post #773 of 814
Tried the famous T5 3rd gen for the first time. It's actually surprisingly good!
Honestly I was pretty negaitive about how the T53 would sounds like before demoing it, cause I tried the t13 before and it's very bad. But after trying the t53, yeah, this is the second best close-back headphone I've ever heard (sorry the first place has to be the ZMF Caldera closed).
The T53 sounds very detailed and the overall tuning is quite energetic, with clean and powerful bass and smooth, sparkling treble. It's definitely V-shaped but without sacrificing too much midrange.
The soundstage is where T53 truly shine. It sounds so spacious and open, even better than many, many open-back headphones. This is the first time I've heard such a natural and open soundstage in a closed headphone, this is incredible!
I'm seriously considering buying this. Good job Beyerdynamic:beyersmile:
 

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Dec 7, 2024 at 8:13 AM Post #775 of 814
So I should be getting the T5.3 shortly today so will be able to compare directly to the T1.3 (which are excellent) and the DT 1770 mkIIs.

Looking for a T1.3-like with more sub bass essentially, so looking forward to it. I'll only be keeping one of either the T1.3, T5.3 or 1770mkII.

Will post impressions in due time
 
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Dec 7, 2024 at 3:42 PM Post #779 of 814
I have the t5p.2 (same pads) and they are smaller than most beyerdynamic pads and less comfortable for me due to glasses. Sound quality is good though and most replacement pads screw up the frequency.
 
Dec 7, 2024 at 4:55 PM Post #780 of 814
Dekoni leather pads (Beyerdynamic specific) work well on the T5. Much better space. But they're a bit thicker than stock so tuning is changed slightly. Nothing detrimental, actually gives a bit more staging. I recommend them.
 

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