Beyerdynamic T1 3rd Gen out now
Apr 4, 2022 at 5:20 AM Post #1,336 of 1,824
Hi everyone!
What could be considered as proper amplification for the 3rd gens in your opinion? I am planning to buy my very first full setup (I've never had any "serious" gear before, just a sennheiser InEarG in the 80$ category).
I was thinking about the ifi zen dac v2 & zen can or the topping a50s & d50s with the 3rd gens as I think I would really like the t1's sound signature (lots of 90's hiphop and bass heavy music, sometimes some classical and of course, movies).
Does the dac&amp sound signature really matters? I would pick the ifi setup personally, since they have balanced output and other options which I could get a good use of later on, but I don't know if the t1 would be muffled or bloated with the ifi's warmer sound signature or would these compliment each other? According to the reviews, the topping setup is more analytical which would balance the warmness of the 3rd gens? Someone even recommended me the xDuoo mt-602 hybrid tube amps for them.
I just wanted to hear your opinions before this purchase, I would really appreciate any recommendations in the 400$ amp+dac price range for these headphones as a starter kit. What could be the possible factor or what could go wrong here?
I don't think it's too picky. I use zen can, sounds very good out of the apple dongle too. Personally I'd probably get a topping stack unless you need the xbass function of ifi on some other pair.
 
Apr 4, 2022 at 5:37 AM Post #1,337 of 1,824
ifi,earmen,Schiit works great with Beyerdynamic :)
 
Apr 4, 2022 at 12:22 PM Post #1,338 of 1,824
Ordered some spare parts as a precaution. Inexpensive, available, a nice contrast to some competitors.

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Apr 6, 2022 at 5:38 AM Post #1,342 of 1,824
I would pick the ifi setup personally, since they have balanced output and other options which I could get a good use of later on, but I don't know if the t1 would be muffled or bloated with the ifi's warmer sound signature or would these compliment each other?

Many of our devices sound a touch warm indeed, but I wouldn't worry about Beyers T1 any bloated or muffled with i.e. ZEN CAN that has enough juice to make these cans going. As long as they're not underpowered, you're OK :)
 
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Apr 7, 2022 at 1:11 PM Post #1,343 of 1,824
Many of our devices sound a touch warm indeed, but I wouldn't worry about Beyers T1 any bloated or muffled with i.e. ZEN CAN that has enough juice to make these cans going. As long as they're not underpowered, you're OK :)
Interestingly I found warm leaning systems actually often go well with warm headphones. Sometimes double dipping on the warmth works better than using a brighter or a leaner system on a warm headphone. Interestingly I found the T1.3 works nicely with many warmer systems. Synergy can be a weird thing as you don’t always know what to expect.
 
Apr 7, 2022 at 1:37 PM Post #1,344 of 1,824
Synergy can be a weird thing as you don’t always know what to expect.

That's true. Many of us here mix components warm, dense and fluffy with those lean, quick and open to maintain overall balance, but we all have different thresholds. What's warm to some will be still neutral to others. But come to think of it, different perspectives make audio this much more fun :)
 
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Apr 11, 2022 at 3:06 PM Post #1,345 of 1,824
Today I ordered the 3rd gen with the Ifi stack, so let's find out. :smile: I am really curious about this setup, because I don't have much experience with audio overall and I think I could write down my first impressions from a different viewpoint.
Thanks for the great advices, I'll share my experiences with it.
 
Apr 11, 2022 at 4:13 PM Post #1,346 of 1,824
Today I ordered the 3rd gen with the Ifi stack, so let's find out. :smile: I am really curious about this setup, because I don't have much experience with audio overall and I think I could write down my first impressions from a different viewpoint.
Thanks for the great advices, I'll share my experiences with it.

Excellent, please feel free to let us all know how this setup works out for you and may it be a cool adventure for a newcomer to the hobby. Enjoy the heck out of it :)
 
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Apr 11, 2022 at 6:26 PM Post #1,347 of 1,824
Excellent, please feel free to let us all know how this setup works out for you and may it be a cool adventure for a newcomer to the hobby. Enjoy the heck out of it :)
Having tried the Zen Dac on the T1.3 I think it will be a good pairing. I thought it was a really nice pairing for the price. The T1.3 craves a DAC it likes the sound of and the iFi one's I heard pair nicely with it. I've always liked how the Burr Brown chips sound though, especially the better implemented ones.
 
Apr 14, 2022 at 11:00 AM Post #1,348 of 1,824
Anyone try the mojo 2 with these? Debating whether to get a mojo 2 or try to find a used Hugo 2. Probably don't need the power of the Hugo 2 for these right? And the dac portion I imagine would be very similar unless I'm wrong
 
Apr 15, 2022 at 2:48 AM Post #1,349 of 1,824
Anyone try the mojo 2 with these? Debating whether to get a mojo 2 or try to find a used Hugo 2. Probably don't need the power of the Hugo 2 for these right? And the dac portion I imagine would be very similar unless I'm wrong
Yep.
 
Apr 15, 2022 at 5:30 AM Post #1,350 of 1,824
okay, so here it is my detailed opinion on Beyerdynamic T1 3rd gen and Ifi zen dac v2+zen can setup:

Just so you know, again, I am a newcomer in the audio topic, consequently I am less experienced and had no gear before in this price range (or at all), so I am going to approach things from this viewpoint.

Let's start with the Ifi stack:

Really good. Like, I just plugged in my dt770 32 ohm to my laptop's 3.5mm jack output and lots of times I found myself on 100% volume, which still wasn't enough for some Youtube uploads (I know, nasty youtube compression formats, ughh). I've also tried Tidal's HiFi quality with it, but basically you can't feel that much difference with better formats without a dac+amp. You can pretty much feel that your headphone would do better with a stack, that's it.
So after I set up the dac+amp and plugged in the dt 770's and started to play something, everything suddenly got much more detailed and accurate with much more clarity, the higher and lower frequencies got more life to them and more separated. This was the point where you could feel much more difference between better audio quality files and the worse ones. Some would say that this stack sounds a bit warm, but basically with my average and inexperienced hearing, it's just sounds right, really clear and detailed with zero background noise, I can't say anything wrong about it to be honest, maybe that the dac has no on/off switch, but I believe you can just turn off the output current in the settings of your laptop when you shut it down, so it won't receive power, thus it will automatically turn off with your device. But this is just a really subtle thing compared to the sound quality it provides.
The famous truebass function is also worth mentioning, lots of reviews say that it was made to emphasize lower frequencies, but I didn't know what that means until now. Basically, it brings up the really deep bass ranges and adds to the song a really deep, background glow which softly rumbles in the background when there is such effect or instrument in the music you're listening to (it will be kind of unnoticeable when you're listening to music which has no bass effects/ instruments obviously). It goes really well with the T1, despite it is considered as a dark and already warm headphone and it adds a totally different dimension when this deep bass is in the background of what you're listening to the whole time and it's just sounds so natural.
And in addition to these, this dac+amp offers a lot more features, I didn't talk about the balanced in- and outs, power match and other stuff. It's just definitely worth the money. I would buy it again just for the quality and for the truebass function.

Okay, so Beyerdynamic T1 3rd gen:

The next day after I received the Ifi stack, the T1 also arrived. Maybe because of the price, or the 3 month research that I've put into this, but I opened this with shaking hands, plugged it in and started to play something.
Fyi, I read every (I really mean it) review on every possible website, forum, post, comment and thread (like this one) about it. I also watched every related video on youtube and everything else I could find so I'll write down what I was interested in but didn't found answer to.
This headphone is indeed different from the other, cheap headphones that I had until now - and I mean this in a really good way.
This is just another dimension, again. Despite it's an open back headphone, there is a really good and accurate bass depth, which rumbles in the background with the music (this fits perfectly with the truebass function as I mentioned), with a really good clarity, just perfect imaging (you can tell exactly where the sounds come from, they are really nicely separated), and a really wide soundstage which makes this an immersible experience.
There is also the high frequency dip (beyer recessed the upper mid section of these headphones, because they proved to be too harsh to people with more sensitive hearing, which causes pain in your ears after a longer listening session). I actually experienced this with my dt 770's, after a few hours my ears were often hurting and I am not listening music with lots of harsh frequencies. For some people, this was a really negative thing which made them hate the 3rd gen, what I can understand if you prefer other, classical genres, but for me the music just sounds perfectly right and natural, and it is really comfortable without any unpleasant pain within your ears after even 8+ hours sessions of constant listening to anything. This is also definitely worth the money for people who are looking for some blues, hiphop or similar genres.
Forgot to mention that how much of a joy watching a movie with these is, since they're really cinematic. You can hear and feel every detail (details in music and movies that you didn't even heard before), I instantly had the feeling that I am sitting in a cinema.

Just for a reference point, I found this setup to go really well with jazz/ blues (ex. Hot Jazz Band, Buddy Guy, Taj Mahal, Freddie King), and 90's hiphop (Biggie, 2pac etc.) and even electronic music, but I am still experiencing around with it.

Sorry for the long post, I hope it answers a few unanswered questions for someone who is thinking on buying these. :grin:
 
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