Beyerdynamic T1 3rd Gen out now

[ThanatosVI]

Wait, why this thread isn't in highend section?

A know, it doesn't cost 4k and weigh 600g.

It's always in the section it gets created in.

Meze Empyrean(3000€) are also in the regular section, while LCD-X(1300€) are listed in summit fi...

So this has neither to do with price nor quality

 

[donthuang]

Is this graph more close yours impression?

 

[chillysalsa]

What patent filing is that from?

 

[Terriero]

I'm starting to enjoy this HP... I will post initial sound impressions in a few days.

What you said a few messages ago is totally true, initially the sound is too powerful, especially the midrange, and it makes you feel intimidated. When you try it, if you just listen to single tracks looking for that "WOW" effect that you got with other HPs, this headphone is not going to surprise you. You have to give it time to start enjoying it.

 

[yeboyi]

I’ve always thought the vast majority of headphone sounded too bright to be natural and never had enough bass especially when you compare them to a good full-range speaker system and I’ll rather trust what is considered a neutral sound from speakers than what is considered neutral from headphones. Maybe Beyer is trying to address the inherent bass weakness of headphones especially open-backs with the T1.3.

DT 1990 with balanced pads quite bassy, except maybe lacks little bit sub bass. T1.3 has even more bass and still fast and clean. That's impressive.

 

[yeboyi]

Problem is and always will be physiqs... You can get different Drivers for bass, mids and highs for speakers. That way each driver can play much cleaner.
Headphones have only driver that Gonna lack somewhere.

Empyrean have interesting approach. Check it out. Overall big planars are good at producing clean full range like it has more than 1 dynamic driver.

 

[yeboyi]

They're not, though. All Beyer is doing with regards to bass is slapping progressively warmer pads on the same basic platform, with the end result being everything below 1kHz getting a boost. The sledgehammer approach, in other words. Seriously, getting more bass out of an open headphone this way isn't hard. The challenge is getting more bass without making sacrifices elsewhere.

Really Audeze LCD 2 or 2C or X don't have much bass but people praise their bass so much. I think Audeze's heavy cups and magnets paying off there.

 

[436893]

Really Audeze LCD 2 or 2C or X don't have much bass but people praise their bass so much. I think Audeze's heavy cups and magnets paying off there.

Yes, really.

 

[Omnax1]

Really Audeze LCD 2 or 2C or X don't have much bass but people praise their bass so much. I think Audeze's heavy cups and magnets paying off there.

Well for me, it is quality of the bass not the amount which I liked about them. The amount was below what I would like, quality was awesome.

 

[SilverEars]

Is this graph more close yours impression?

Here is the reality. V-shaped. I expect warm response(looks too thick for my taste, doesn't look like a clear sounding headphone) with treble standing out. Treble will not stand out strongly due to how thick in warmth it is. Beyers luv to cut out upper-mids, and never uderstood why. It's either their traditional methof or tuning happens that way or it's purposed. No idea, but there is a consistancy in such characteristics

Beyers exemplifies that a company is German has no meaning. Like any other company, they have their particular response stamp. If you look at another German company's headphone response, Sennheiser, tuning is different.

 

[shortstack31489]

How is the clamp force on these?

 

[kman1211]

Here is the reality. V-shaped. I expect warm response(looks too thick for my taste, doesn't look like a clear sounding headphone) with treble standing out. Treble will not stand out strongly due to how thick in warmth it is. Beyers luv to cut out upper-mids, and never uderstood why. It's either their traditional methof or tuning happens that way or it's purposed. No idea, but there is a consistancy in such characteristics

Beyers exemplifies that a company is German has no meaning. Like any other company, they have their particular response stamp. If you look at another German company's headphone response, Sennheiser, tuning is different.

They cut the upper mids because upper mids are the most sensitive region of human hearing, and some people are more sensitive to those regions, I can't handle many Senns, Audio-Technica's, AKG's, etc. very well due to their upper mids with extended listening, starts becoming very tiresome and fatiguing to listen to. Beyer and Senn have very different tuning philosophies and people seem to fall into different camps. I know plenty of people that lean towards Senns and plenty that lean towards Beyers.

 

[SilverEars]

They cut the upper mids because upper mids are the most sensitive region of human hearing, and some people are more sensitive to those regions, I can't handle many Senns, Audio-Technica's, AKG's, etc. very well due to their upper mids with extended listening, starts becoming very tiresome and fatiguing to listen to. Beyer and Senn have very different tuning philosophies and people seem to fall into different camps. I know plenty of people that lean towards Senns and plenty that lean towards Beyers.

Well, the target response shows the ear is sensitive. The response curve reflects all the gains attained by the ear geometry.

The curve is attained based on 45 degree angle speaker placement along with head and ear geometry.

There's actual reasons why target curves are not a flat line.

It's not really a boost being shown.

 

[kman1211]

Well, the target response shows the ear is sensitive. The response curve reflects all the gains attained by the ear geometry.

The curve is attained based on 45 degree angle speaker placement along with head and ear geometry.

There's actual reasons why target curves are not a flat line.

It's not really a boost being shown.

I'm aware that the response curves do show it and that they aren't flat lines, a flat line would sound horrible. I was really just mentioning some people are more sensitive to that regions than others and Beyer likely thinks it needs to be reduced. I'm just curious why Beyer went with quite a different curve on these headphones than the previous models. I don't find the T1.3 lacking in clarity by any stretch, in fact the T1.2 is more veiled sounding, for instance I find the vocals clearer and more intelligible on the T1.3.

 

[436893]

How is the clamp force on these?

Roughly 50% stronger clamp than last gen, but by no means vice-like. As with all Beyers, adjusting the clamp is easy if needed.

(looks too thick for my taste, doesn't look like a clear sounding headphone)

Pretty much this. They seem decently resolving, at least as far as I could tell on my modest gear. But you have to fight against the tonality to pick up on low-level information.