Sinocelt
Headphoneus Supremus
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I don't see what you mean.
And the 7520 recommendation is a joke I believe. Way to boomy mid bass and huge dip at 4,5k which makes vocals disappear. I love subbass though but not if this compromises the rest of the spectrum. Made flat and inear measurements of the 7520. The one floating around here aren't really represetive for the 7520 as the scale is 20db. Sure it looks amazing flatIf anyone is interested I post them.
Of course I had them here for about a month. Bought them from a member here. How should have done measurements then?
I'm not saying they are crap. But we're talking about Studio HPs here where a neutral and uncolored representation is wanted. Of course one could argument this wouldn't be so important for monitoring purposes. I assume we talk about Hps that are also helpful in mastering/mixing. Then I can't recommend the 7520. To narrow, to much boomy mid bass, horrible dip around 4,5Khz and (maybe that was my specific 7520) noticable big difference in L/R driver match. My post was mainly related to the NADs. the 7520 is only a sidenote asI bought them because of the good comments on here.
I love subbass though but not if this compromises the rest of the spectrum. Made flat and inear measurements of the 7520. The one floating around here aren't really represetive for the 7520 as the scale is 20db. Sure it looks amazing flatIf anyone is interested I post them.
I'm interested in the last part of your post, but I'm afraid that I don't understand what you've written. Could you possibly carify please?
The NADS are to smooth overall. Tooo soft in the treble. Also the "Room Feel" is irritating if you mix in mono. What I would recommend with headphones. Got the FSP and NADS here for comparsion. While it seems that the NADS seems to sound more natural/common for in-room monitoring in the beginning they don't show flaws in the mix that easy as the FSPs. Still my T50 mod is superior to both of them in transient response and detail. The NADs are great for fun listening and just relaxing. The FSP on the other side are tiring after a while. A tad to much sizzle and main mids. I don't comment the comfort of both... And the 7520 recommendation is a joke I believe. Way to boomy mid bass and huge dip at 4,5k which makes vocals disappear. I love subbass though but not if this compromises the rest of the spectrum. Made flat and inear measurements of the 7520. The one floating around here aren't really represetive for the 7520 as the scale is 20db. Sure it looks amazing flat If anyone is interested I post them.
Thanks for the clarification. Your opinion about the 7520's is as valid as anyone else's, but there are many experienced professionals who don't agree. I'm guessing that you haven't seen this thread:- https://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-much-gear-so-little-time/638191-new-favorite-headphones-mixing.html?highlight=sony+mdr+7520 or the others like it on Gearslutz, the pro gear forum.
Also have a look at my post #1985 here:- http://www.head-fi.org/t/682534/sony-mdr-7520/1980#post_11500766
My comments may sound like a quick bash and pure fact. Its not my intend. I made intense testing with the 7520. As now with my NAD and FSP. Beside of referencing with monitors (full treated room with a pair Genelecs8040/Adam A8 running with Audessy Room correction). Also a sidechecking with my headphone measurment rig which I used for my T50 mod.
Since I owned a pair of Paradox back 2013 I began to look into headphones different. Wouldn't say that the paras are the ultimative goal but they are close.
So sure I read those threads at gearlutz. And I often must shake my head. Over the net there are a lot of reviews and comments like for example the dt990 or k701 are pure neutral and the flattest headphones ever.. also at gearlutz. I don't look out for headphones recommendation at gearlutz anymore since years. I think the tenor is not technical interested in headphones and a lot of people are outdated in the way of thinking about the topic headphones in general. A lot of the old skool sound engineers and producers there. Which is fine for all sounddesign and mix purposes. But I can't rely on comments by guys that use the ns10 as a reference. The ns is the holy grail... It sounds like crap, they are use to it and it does work because they know the flaws. But then they frown upon mixing with headphones. I got my first record deal with tracks I mixed/mastered sole on headphones. Just used monitors for the stereo placement. So I know now it works even gearlutz says it doesn't.
What I'm trying to say is that I'm of course interested in new hp gear but take those reviews and comments always with a grain of salt. Especially on gearlutz.
Often its not clear if the comments are made in regards of listening level and listening chain. Amp output R for example etc. The balance of any speaker changes drastic with listening level. Regarding research I always tend to get some impressions here or on innerfidelity though I know here are a lot of hype and bias comments too.
This is just my opinion. But I think its important to mention if I wouldn't have found some comments on the FSP that are against all hype claiming there is no bass but a lot terrible highs I wouldn't have tested my FSPs with a second new pair. Which was my somewhat my experience. Weird transients. Sounded like an early reflection with phase problems. It wasn't distortion. Anyway it turned out that mine was faulty. To name a number. About 5db less in the bass region. The transient response was less jagged on the second pair. No double transients and subbass like it should be. I will post a review with charts/CSD in the FSP thread soon. Seems Focal have some quality issues..
Anyway I wouldn't never bought a second pair to try out if there wasn't head-fi or innerfidelity. On gearlutz it was like: Totally crap and oh nice I take them for my bedroom. In short term I don't care what gearlutz has to say about headphones
I was going to ask the same question. The wording wasn't very clear, though I think I can decipher: "I made raw measurements of the 7520. The measurements floating around aren't really representative at the 20db scale. Raw measurements of the 7520 sure look amazing.If anyone is interested in my measurements, I'll post them."
So yes, please post them, Tarsonis, with an explanation of your measurement method.
Sony 7520 blue/red
Genelec 8040 in background
FSP new pair red/blue
FSP faulty pair green
Thanks for the measurements, tarsonis.
I have to say that your measurement of the 7520 looks much better than Tyll's at the bottom end - much flatter and more extended with a relatively mild hump. Yes, there's a dip after that and they're clearly not as flat as the FSP's, but still not bad. The dip in the upper frequencies occurs at around the pitch at which the human ear is the most sensitive, so we hear those frequencies much louder anyway. Frankly I'm more worried by the much more pronounced V shaped dip at around 8kHz on the FSP's. I would have thought that that would have a worse effect, sonically.
The driver mis-match on the 7520's is almost certainly just product variation - perhaps they were as 'faulty' as your first pair of FSP's? In any event I'm sure that product variation is present in any manufacturers headphones - heck, even every HD800 measures slightly differently, and Sennheiser provide a graph to show it! I think that headphone measurements should probably show the average measurements from half a dozen similar pairs, but I realise that in most cases that's a practical impossibility.