Best Smartphone for audiophile Part II (Updated: Jan 2020)
Oct 12, 2021 at 1:48 AM Post #4,396 of 5,166
I am sure it helps a lot but not really an option for me. I have deleted all apps that I dont need (including all the Google apps that were the #1 battery draining apps on my phone) and dont use social media. Just really use this for music, work emails, apps and calls, and web browsing (headfi and other forums). Really like the phone otherwise so that is why I am thinking of using just as a dedicated DAP and getting something else. Actually used to have fantastic battery life until Android 11 came along (or sometime after that)
Have you tried the battery saver mode? It isn't just about shutting down draining apps. It throttles, limits dispaly brightness, diables vibration and lowers data rates. Also there is Adaptive battery and Background restrictions to check out, but they may not do so much after you deleted so much

I have the dual sim on my G8, but almost never use it, because the micro SD is always in there.
 
Oct 12, 2021 at 4:12 AM Post #4,397 of 5,166
I have spent a couple of months looking for a new phone to replace my current one: LG G8. It's 2.5 years old and its fingerprint sensor packed up, and I fancy a new gadet. The camera is good, but it lacks a few nice widets like a good night mode and the portrait mode is early tech and is not suitable for important photos.

I am using H95 BT headphones most of the time, but as an audio nut, I would really like to have a good headphone socket.
Given the size of my lossless music collection, and I also have a fair sized amount of podcasts, radio, photos and tv on the phone, 512GB is really pushing it , and ideally I want a Micro SD expansion.
OLED is a strong like for me.
Android only.
I prefer no camera bump like my G8
I do not want a huge phone.

I toyed with folding screen models, as the Huawei Mate X2 is glorious, and can take a Nano memory card. It makes the Samsung Fold look like an unergonomic toy, and opens esentially flat. The camera is nearly as good as the P50, meaning state of the art for phones. But it is big even when folded, and the internal screen is far from scratch resistant (many of the demo units I've seen have marks on them.) There is no headphone socket and google does not run normally because of a hissy fit from a previous US administration. Also not exactly cheap.

Xiaomi 11 Ultra and Mix4 and lack headphones and expandable memory, but the cameras are great. Also the ceramic body is a temptation. I have a watch in this material, and it looks like new despite a 25kM/h smash into tarmac, so it keeps shiney. But these things are a bit of a distraction to an audiophile. Also they are a bit big.

Then there is the new Xperia Mkiii units. The 1 is a bit long, and I am liking the xperia 5 MkII size, if a bit narrow for typing, so I was going to wait for the Mkiii to surface and check it out. However the headphone out will not power some of my headphones without hacking it to remove the voltage limit imposed to pass EU safety. The screens are georgious, and not washed out as stated above. The cameras really appeal to me as an SLR user, as the UI is fantastic, if you delve. Results are good, even with only 12MP sensors, despite the those who want to burn out their retinas with overblown colour. People appear to have got used to silly levels of saturation on competitors.

Vivo X70 Pro Plus is a really nice bit of kit. Super fast, but maxes out at 512GB, and no headphone socket, but really leads everone on camera tech, including Huawei and Xiaomi. Available in a fun Orange.

Then in all my research, I found out that my G8 has it's default settings at 1080 resolution, despite the hardware being 1440. As the 2.5 year old battery easily lasts more than a day, I decided to switch this to 1440, and it looks like a new phone. Another search found that it is indeed a software issue that broke the fingerprint sensor, so that works again. So I started looking at technical details on the camera, and found a bunch of manual features I didn't know it had. I am getting some much improved results. The G8 is functionally the same as V60 which is really versatile, and only lacks the extra resolution of the main sensor (because I have the 3 camera version from Korea). Finally despite LG pulling out of phones, I have just received an Android 11 update!

So, I'm sticking with the G8 for a bit, as it feels like a new phone. It is a fine phone, with a better than average camera for its age, great form factor and an ASTOUNDING headphone output.
Vivo X70 Pro plus was one of my options before i opted for ROG5, but there's no headphone jack and it's only available in China with chinese android customization. Plus are a great camera implementation and a nice Cirrus DAC but the phone Is quite expensive... well, less than ROG5 but with no audio quality warranty.
 
Oct 12, 2021 at 7:35 AM Post #4,398 of 5,166
I would like to get x70 pro+ too. However, I want to wait a bit to get 1 year product warranty from dealer. Now, some people here have it but without warranty.
 
Oct 12, 2021 at 4:10 PM Post #4,399 of 5,166
Just got my 2nd LG V60 as an unlocked Verizon phone on the T-Mobile network. Super nice and just dropped in a 1Tb card. Going to test it with the Dual Screen case w/ the Hidizs USB-C DAC dongle and headphones to see if that works now :)
 
Oct 13, 2021 at 1:18 AM Post #4,400 of 5,166
I like the V60 but my battery barely lasts 12 hours. Also wish it had a dual SIM (didnt realize T-Mobile crippled it). Likely wait until Black Friday to see if Google discounts the Pixel 6 but I am leaning toward picking one of those up to replace my OnePlus 8T and using my V60 primarily as a DAP (mostly due to poor battery life).
replace battery?
 
Oct 13, 2021 at 8:22 AM Post #4,401 of 5,166
replace battery?
Not worth it. It is a year and half old now and I have a second one that is unused that I am saving as a backup for when it is time to replace this one, which may be soon since I noticed it was running really hot yesterday and I was just using the browser. Never a good sign. You may be right though, the battery may be giving out already. Either way, I still need a new phone to replace my other phone, which is the OnePlus 8T. It has not been reliable (replaced SIM twice, phone once under warranty and every T-Mobile troubleshooting step) but all my calls do not come in). Still seems like the new Pixel 6 will check all the boxes, especially if it really still has aptX HD with the new Tensor chip.
 
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Oct 13, 2021 at 8:56 AM Post #4,403 of 5,166
Just got my 2nd LG V60 as an unlocked Verizon phone on the T-Mobile network. Super nice and just dropped in a 1Tb card. Going to test it with the Dual Screen case w/ the Hidizs USB-C DAC dongle and headphones to see if that works now :)
Are you using it with the magnetic adapter? I always had trouble keeping the cable connected when trying to use something like my Dragonfly Cobalt (or even for Android Auto in the car). I just use the 3.5mm jack as I found trying to use an external DAC/amp wifh the dual screen case to be impractical. The only thing I find annoying about the headphone jack with the dhal screen case is that they didnt make the opening of the 3.5mm jack wide enough so you need to carry a short 3.5mm extension cable. The benefit to using an extension cable is if you plug in the extension cable by itself first, it tricks the phone into activating the Quad Dac in aux mode.
 
Oct 13, 2021 at 10:21 AM Post #4,404 of 5,166
Okay the magnetic adapter doesn't work with any USB DAC dongle. Going to the 3.5mm extender method instead.
 
Oct 17, 2021 at 7:26 AM Post #4,406 of 5,166
Previous Thread: https://www.head-fi.org/f/threads/best-smartphone-for-audiophile.662095/

Please help rectify my Table if spec is wrong. Any recommendation is welcomed.

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Google Doc for Smartphone Table
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nhMd7oKzwauEanwUndqU5orN8T18JCm3VllomhTWqsc/edit?usp=sharing
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Note: "Recommended" is based on my preference only.
- From 2013-2015, I use UE900 as reference.
- 2016-2017 I use 1964 U12 + Brimar Cable as reference.
- 2018 onward, I use Fitear 335DWSR + custom cable (VK)
Always take this list with a grain of salt.
Remember, you have no need to believe my opinion will be same as yours. :) You always have your own preference and ears to believe in yourself.


Note2: Price Range is just approximate number and might vary in different countries. For some devices, it is based on second hand price because I can't find the whole new one ever.

Inconvenient Truth

The best way to enjoy real and pure music is from Stock music player because it is the only way that software engineer can bypass android’s 48kHz sampling rate limitation and let you enjoy native sampling rate when 44.1KHz is using 22MHz clock and 48kHz or 96kHz are using 24MHz clock with no sampling rate converter. So it is the true sound that company proudly gives to you.

Good News: Neutron is supporting bit-perfect playback for most Hi-Res android device.
For those who own ESS, AKM chip based smartphone and love Neutron music player's simple UI with great Network Playing Functionality.
Please try setting in Audio Hardware Setting in the app by following http://neutronmp.com/forum_nmp/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4014

It is working really well with my vivo xplay6. It is bit-perfect playback and I really enjoyed it.

:)

Confirmed Devices:
Neutron Hi-Res setting support for vivo xplay6, Letv x900, meizu Pro5, All LG V series, huawei p10 etc.
Neutron Hi-Res setting not support for Lenovo vibe x3

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Neutron setting for exclusive vivo xplay6 users
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/bes...updated-mar-2018.853115/page-86#post-14199788

Smartphone News / Leak
- LG V30 Audio Spec
http://www.lgnewsroom.com/2017/08/f...ening-thunder-lg-v30-delivers-tailored-hi-fi/

- Vivo might launch fingerprint sensor on screen in new model in MWC 2017 at Shanghai
http://www.bgr.in/news/vivo-teases-...ead-of-mwc-shanghai-2017-unveiling-next-week/

Good Posts / Discussions on Last "Best Smartphone for audiophile" Thread

- LG V20 vs Meizu Pro 5 mini review by yfei
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/lg-v20-sound-quality.816024/page-190#post-13698008

- Adapter to activating high gain in vivo xplay6 and aux mode in LG V20 and G6

IMG_20170507_194704.jpg IMG_20170507_194738.jpg
Left: 3.5 to 2.5 adapter if your cable is terminated for balanced DAP
Right: use cable extender if you use normal 3.5 single end IEM

How Quad DAC in LG V20 and G6 works
http://www.androidauthority.com/lg-v20-quad-dac-explained-713587/

Find new Smartphone Review on sound quality? Try search in
http://eng.soomal.com/edoc/index101000_0001_00.htm

Vivo will get Oreo update on x9, x20 series and xplay 6 launch in Apr 18
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5546180828

Ainur SAURON MK I.IV.II mod from XDA
Credit to @lantian
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/bes...updated-sep-2017.853115/page-32#post-13768281
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/bes...updated-sep-2017.853115/page-32#post-13766166

How to use 2 sim + 1 mirco SD card for hybrid slot smartphone.
Credit to @oyabass
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/bes...updated-sep-2017.853115/page-77#post-14115308

If you want to ask for Smartphone recommendation, please follow this format
Price range:
IEM/ Headphone used:
Screen size:
What kind of sound you wanna get: more warm? more detail? bigger soundstage?
What kind of music you mainly listen: Pop? Rock? EDM? Orchestra?
Special request: Need dual camera / higher than snapdragon 820 / No Chinese smartphone etc.
Can someone update this table? i dont see smartphones after 2018.
 
Oct 17, 2021 at 7:32 AM Post #4,407 of 5,166
Oct 17, 2021 at 1:51 PM Post #4,409 of 5,166
Please help me pick up best analytical tuned audiophile phone.

I do not want to drive 600 Ohms cans.
I do not want latest chipset if it means sacrificing sound quality.
I use Sennheiser HD25 II for listening, and they are easy to drive.

I had an LG v20. It had a remarkable sound characteristics but it started bootlooping after I used it with poor quality USB-C cable.

I want an upgrade over v20 but do not want Meridian tuning. My choices are:

1- LG v20 once more. (If so, what variant has objectively the best tuning? Are there any regional variations?)
2- LG v30 on old stock rom. (Should I get v30+, V30s or just V30? I see NTT Docomo variants of this in my local market. I hope sound is the same like other variant.)
3- LG v35 on old stock rom. (AT&T variant. Is it B&O tuned at all?)
3- LG G7 thinq on old stock rom.

All I care about is the sound detail, instrument separation and sound stage. So a phone without an amp but high quality DAC would be the answer. Please help
 
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