Best Smartphone for audiophile Part II (Updated: Jan 2020)
Jan 23, 2023 at 5:28 PM Post #4,906 of 5,154
hello everyone, my name is eddi and i am writing to you from italy, i am about to change my smartphone (i have an iphone 7 plus) for various needs i need the samsung DEX function, i would be oriented towards the samsung S22 ultra but i realized that the S23 ultra is about to come out, should I wait? musically what do you think? I use spotify and I would combine it with a questyle m15 as dac and as headphones beyerdinamyc dt 990 pro 250 ohm/ dt 1770 pro 250 and hemp grade,
thank you all for your time.
 
Jan 23, 2023 at 9:26 PM Post #4,907 of 5,154
Is there an obvious difference between A11 and A10/A9 in terms of audio quality output that its worth downgrading?
No.
would be oriented towards the samsung S22 ultra but i realized that the S23 ultra is about to come out, should I wait? musically what do you think? I use spotify and I would combine it with a questyle m15 as dac and as headphones beyerdinamyc dt 990 pro 250 ohm/ dt 1770 pro 250 and hemp grade,
Sonically, there will not be any worthwhile difference between S22 Ultra & S23 Ultra, especially when using an external DAC like M15 so unless you are looking for the latest features, for audio purposes S22 Ultra is more than fine.
 
Jan 26, 2023 at 2:15 AM Post #4,909 of 5,154
S22 and S23 have low PWM flickering screen, it is awful. A friend of mine owns S22. I wouldn't use it even for free. Xperia 10 IV has quite a better screen, with even amplitude curve, easier on the eyes. Not to mention the price difference. I would never ever buy Scamsung again, especially when they got busted for paying forums to badmouth all other brands.
 
Jan 27, 2023 at 4:42 PM Post #4,910 of 5,154
S22 and S23 have low PWM flickering screen, it is awful. A friend of mine owns S22. I wouldn't use it even for free. Xperia 10 IV has quite a better screen, with even amplitude curve, easier on the eyes. Not to mention the price difference. I would never ever buy Scamsung again, especially when they got busted for paying forums to badmouth all other brands.

For me it's not so much the screen flickering, the battery's tendency to offgas if left unchecked discharging on a shelf for months xD :p



I'd rather get a flagship from Sony (variable telephoto cameras), Google (cameras overall), Asus (gaming or compact size), Vivo (invisible underscreen selfie camera + internal gimble camera stabilization), Xiaomi/Nubia/Realme (gaming/good value) or Fairphone/Shiftphone (dead simple repairability, endomodularity).

I'd also recommend iPhone if you want something good for filming videos, but I don't think you're that type of guy :wink:
 
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Jan 28, 2023 at 9:26 PM Post #4,911 of 5,154
We're still not sure if the new S23 Ultra supports aptX Adaptive/Lossless with their SDG2 chipset, we'll find out next week with the official detailed release (the spec sheets only mention Bluetooth 5.3 for now without mentioning specific codecs).

The Sony Xperia 1-IV also dropped by 20% in price to $1200 USD (NA 5G variant), that's pretty much the best audiophile flagship smartphone option on the market right now until the Xperia 1-V this summer (which is well worth the wait given how much of an improvement SDG2 is over SDG1 in terms of thermal throttling).

Right now I'm stuck with my ROG 6 Pro (which I hate due to how Asus tuned the audio both via aptX Adaptive/SD Sound and 3.5mm output) and Pixel 7 Pro (also sounds awful since it only supports vanilla aptX due to Tensor2 chipset). I miss my LG V60 audio quality, let's see if the S23U next week supports aptX Adaptive (unlikely) and if not I'll just settle for an Xperia 1-IV for now until the 5th iteration this summer. I'll have to sell off the other two phones I guess, I'm well past the return windows.
 
Jan 29, 2023 at 3:29 PM Post #4,912 of 5,154
I just compared LG V10 in high impedance mode to xDuoo Link 2 Bal, using HD 599 SE. I do prefer the more organic, analogue sound of the LG, it is slightly more forward, in your face - guitar riffs sound distant on the Xduoo, and the treble extension is slightly lacking, compared to the LG, but both are quite flawless. Drums were considerably better represented on the LG, everything sounded more realistic, while the xDuoo sounds digital on some songs. Not much consistency on the latter, it sounds like a different device on some songs, the timbre changes. I ordered a 4.4mm cable for it, I will update in a month or so. I prefer the xDuoo on some songs, it gives wider soundstage. Mind you, I always prefer it in a low-gain mode.
Yes, I don`t care about cameras. We have lots of seagulls and stray cats near the Black Sea, so I always carry a high-end superzoom with my, the Sony RX 10 Mark IV.
As for the Xperia 1 IV, it is so lagging behind the Xperia 10 IV, it is laughable, maybe you have read my post where I compared them heavily in a local store, with 3 headphones. It was literally shocking that a phone who costs more than 3x less beats the flagship in terms of audio. I struggled for days, before updating LG V10 H961N to Android 7. Works like a charm, except the search option in Settings (it closes the window). And the version says... V30A?! Having multiple batteries and a few external chargers, I cannot imagine waiting for my phone to charge...never again. Manufacturers with 4-digit prices, keep your 1 KW charging absurds to yourself. I always have 3 batteries readily charged. Before going to bed, I plug one.
 
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Feb 3, 2023 at 12:56 AM Post #4,914 of 5,154
I always have 3 batteries readily charged. Before going to bed, I plug one.

Lol that's basically me with my four moto mod battery packs for my Z2 Play and current daily driver Z4 (still haven't replaced the displays on the cracked Pixel 5As yet lol) and the two XTAR-branded 10,000mAh quick-charging power banks I've been loving with slots for a pair of hot-swappable 21700 batteries -- I got a pair of Samsung 50E and LG M50 cells for mine.

Best technical review of the XTAR QC3.0 powerbank:

https://lygte-info.dk/review/Review Charger Xtar PB2S UK.html
 
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Feb 4, 2023 at 11:20 AM Post #4,915 of 5,154
OK, I will be glad to. Brace yourselves, here come years of knowledge and thousands of pages read, and dozens of experiments, if not hundreds. THIS POST IS NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART. Test device: LG V10 H961N with Android 7 V30A, updated via Uppercut.
First: Bootloop. It is common with LG V10 phones, manufactured in 2015. So, if the first letter on the back, below the battery, starts with 6 or 7, you are lucky, it will never bootloop. I have dropped mine dozens of times on the concrete, stepped or sat on it, played games until the power buttons got burning hot...for a year now.
Second: Spare parts. The headphone jack costs a few bucks on AliExpress, so does the speaker. I changed both a few times, since the impedance adapter is heavy and wears off the jack over time, and occasional cable twists (especially on public transport) do that. On rare occasions, speaker cuts off and I cannot discern a full sentence, be it on video chat or Youtube. Even after replacing the speaker, it continues to do so. Any suggestions?
Third: External chargers and batteries. These are the best idea, since mine stopped charging via micro USB. It was a blessing in disguise. Whenever I will be busy, I put a battery in it. They are slow, take around 4 hours to charge a battery, which is excellent to do before going to bed, or leaving the house. The slow charging is temperature-friendly, and it makes up for the full charging from 0-100% (which decreases battery life). I rarely use the second screen, I burst laughing when iSheep claim how "revolutionary" the "dynamic island" is. When I showed the V10 to an experienced Electro-technical seaman, he litteraly screamed in anger (started immediately apologizing after I challenged him to a fight). There are quite a lot and more experienced than me technical experts, but I am a straight-to-the-point man and will make an incredible guide. I will leave the best info at the end of the post on purpose.
How do we calculate power, and how come exactly the same batteries differ in performane? Well, there are many ways to determine the amperage. Accubattery Pro is correct when measuring it, off by only a small margin. As we know, 1A = 1000 mA. Whe use mA only below 1000, otherwise it is embarassing yourself in public. Imagine a guy saying "600 seconds", instead of "10 minutes". The capacity is measured in Hours. How many hours can IN THEORY a battery last under certain load? A 3 Ah battery would give 3A for 1 hour, or vice-versa. Normally, people see that Accubattery measures one battery at 2.6 Ah and another in 3.4 and they are happy to announce the latter as a winner. Voltage also matters, and there is no way to accurately measure it, as Li-On batteries will cut off before full discharge, the phone will be turned off. Yes, absolutely, 2.6 Ah < 3.4 Ah. But what if...the 2.6 Ah battery holds higher voltage during heavy multitasking? For this, I used Your Battery Drainer for Android. To make the test as realistic as possible, I only chose from its menu to perform simultaneously Background video play and Wi-fi browsing. I believe loading the CPU at 100% and vibration and flashlight torture tests are pointless and not real-life scenarios. Suprisingly, the 2.6 Ah beat almost all other batteries.
I have a fairly constant routine in the ways I use my phone. So...in real life usage, over months...I saw very different endurance from all batteries. So different, that the Battery Drainer test was obsolete. Not happy to lose a few months worth of time... Next, I used a simple power socket with LCD watt-meter to calculate exactly how much power was needed to charge each of my batteries. It turns out around 25 Wh, give or take. This is the correct way to measure power, as it equals Voltage X Amperage (a simple explanation). I was suprised to see some batteries giving less than half ot their rated capacities, even when new. So, I ranked them from worst to best, and took 3 of the worst ones with me. They`d last a few hours and I would make it through the day with multiple batteries. It was embarassing, but I spent quite a lot of money and I wanted to use them as much as possible, to make up for it. With a few months of patience, some were unusable and I was happy to bin them.
Due to temperature conditions and other factors, some batteries would turn off the phone at 30-40%. I even carry an external charger with me that I plug into a wall socket at the Naval Academy, since USB chargers are prone to breaking the micro USB when travelling. Using the worst quality batteries was easy, since they charge in around 2.5 hours time. So, the phone never heats, I can always use it without waiting for a charge, I just cary 2-3 batteries with me, no cables or power banks, which turned out to be INCREDIBLY CONVENIENT, FROM 0-100% IN A FEW SECONDS, WITHOUT KILOWATT CHARGERS (LOL). I CANNOT IMAGINE USING A NON-REMOVABLE BATTERY EVER AGAIN. And the batteries are $10-$15 or so. Using a 400 GB mSDXC is also quite convenient. I carry the SD adapter with me and I don`t need to carry a HDD anymore, since most people use laptops with SD sockets. Removing the SIM or mSDXC by taking the back cover of the phone off is fantastic. No needles or pins when travelling, especially at the airport, that will make TSA "agents" jump you like Spanish bulls. All these things proved to be incredibly convenient and handy. And watching Youtube videos with the Quad DAC and HD 599 SE (50 oHm) is a blessing.
Keep in mind that standard, slim batteries that fit with the original phone cover cannot reach 4Ah. I`ve bought $ 60 batteries that are quite a ripoff. It is physically impossible. While I like the extended back cover since it gives a firmer grip...most of them are white and we all know how they will look like in a few months. How do I use my V10? Battery saver ON, full brightness outside. In sunlight, I turn the battery saver off and still have to lower the brightness, as there is plenty. After finishing what I need to do, I turn the battery saver back on. I always make it through the day with 2 good batteries, I do not need 3 of them most of the time. When I went on a few days` trip, I brought 6-7 batteries that were still lighter than a charger+power bank+cables. Did I mention the convenience? I love when I get mocking comments from n00bs. I start talking and they give up in a few sentences, seeing that they cannot understand technology. The first phone with: a notch, Quad DAC, second screen, very wide and comfortable, almost square 16:9 display...the list goes on. I don`t know if I am allowed to share eBay or Aliexpress links on the forum?
The worst batteries that are not even worth considering using, even as a gift: VHBW from eBay, OKCFTC, fake LG originals, Losoncoer. All these were between 1.5-1.8 Ah in capacity, and it was a headache to even receive them, I even planned an expensive holiday in order to wait for a few days and receive them. AliExpress was not helpful and the sellers were quite a joke in that matter. No refunds... And the worst battery of all was from eBay, SPORTING PERSISTENCE. Being a former sportsman, I bit the bullet. It was labeled as 15.6 Ah and only had 3.5 Ah in it. Two batteries, connected and glued. Same goes for the Mugen Power 6.2 Ah. One of them was swollen after the first charge, the other holds on well, but not worth the price. I paid incredibly expensive for those, shipped to Bulgaria and payed the VAT and high shipping cost.
I`d recommend standart sized batteries, as some external chargers cannot take extended ones. Mini-review of the better batteries:

Da Da Xiong from AliExpress - from decent to good, though not perfect, and not worth the price. I used it for months and I lost it when getting of public transport.
Polarcell from Germany: Realistically, 2.6-2.7 Ah. One of the best in the battery drain test, very good real life usage. But it was above 20 EUR, so no, sir.
Perfine: famous for being a real 3 Ah battery, but a bit fast draining. A few warning messages from V10 about faulty battery and turning off.
TQTHL, yellow and black, from eBay: Labeled as 3.3 Ah, measured 3.4 Ah!!! It started even stronger at 4.5Ah, after a few charge-discharge tests, it settled down. The best for a long day of internet browsing and music playback. And is the cheapest of the bunch!

Taking full advantage of the battery life is a blessing. Since the phone and batteries are dirt cheap, there is no need for $ 10k flagships with IP one million certifications, laughable white colour at low brightness due to PWM, glass and fragile plastic (V10 has a stainless steel frame). No fear of burning the phone while charging (hello, Scamsung, you might even become worse than crApple), no heating, no worries about how to use the battery to the end and then replace it in an expensive service centre. I bought 3 externall chargers. People from the US (I am not allowed to say men and women no more, am I, lol) won`t even need an EU power adapter. If I am allowed, I will post links to eBay and AliExpress. Sometimes a battery with charger costs a few bucks more, so it is worth trying the battery. As the V10 was incredibly incosistent in charging times with different cables and adapters. I was smart enough to get the idea of an USB-C to micro USB cable. I ran many test, and wadda ya know, the USB-A to micro USB would start at 3A charging, heating the battery, and casually drop. Average charging current was around 2.2 Ah. USB-C power delivery to micro USB cable starts from 2.4-2.5 Ah, and gradually drops to the same average of 2.1-2.2Ah, resulting in the same charging times. But much healthier and safer. I am so happy that my V10 stopped charging via cable, even when professionals replaced the micro USB. It shows charging, but it does not charge. And I cannot turn on battery saver, because the phone thinks it is being charged. I have to remove the battery and then power on the phone.
I can easily quadruple this post lenght, but I will be glad if all of you would ask all your questions here, and not on Private messages, since I`d love to give educational info here, for all of us. This forum has been educating me from scratch for the last 10 years, so it is payback time and I will return the favor.
 
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Feb 4, 2023 at 1:12 PM Post #4,916 of 5,154
Feb 4, 2023 at 2:37 PM Post #4,917 of 5,154
Is audio from USB on the S23 Ultra still converted to 48khz or is there a way to bypass the sample rate conversion to get bit perfect playback without using USB Audio Player Pro?
 
Feb 5, 2023 at 5:28 AM Post #4,919 of 5,154
It seems that my LG G8X doesn't have aptx Adaptive (at least when checking developer's tools). Which of their phones has adaptive?
 

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