Best power solution (cord + conditioner) for <$1k

Jan 11, 2004 at 4:22 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 17

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Looking for a power solution for my setup.
Sharp SM-SX1 Digital amp
Sharp DX-SX1 DSD player
Phillyaudio Blues 8 preamp/headamp
Headphile combo ICs and proprietary sharp DSD cable
Grado SR-325 (TTVJ Flats)

No current power solution except stock cables and Monster power strip.

Also the system is next to my TV and cable box.

Plaaning to spend <1K on a power solution which should include some form of voltage protection. The cables on the Sharp products is a really thick TDK cable with some RF shielding so it's not the highest priority to replace this.
 
Jan 11, 2004 at 5:59 PM Post #2 of 17
Balanced Power Technologies BP.Jr II Ultra ($350 USD street) + PS Audio xStream Plus ($200 USD street) = $550. Save the rest of the money for something else. Do research: http://www.b-p-t.com and http://www.psaudio.com.

The advantage of using the BPT power conditioner is that it's small, it is upgradeable, and it uses common mode rejection instead of power conditioning / massaging / amplification. The PS Audio xStream Plus cable is very well designed - very thick, shielded, and there's a new version of this cable being manufactured in 2004 that includes a replaceable ground prong to eliminate ground loop hum. I know from experience because I have both products and they DO make an audible difference. I'd say that the difference between no power anything (i.e., factory power cord + no power conditioner) versus what I got is a very dramatic difference. Everything that they claim on both their websites is mostly true. So, go research away.
 
Jan 11, 2004 at 6:09 PM Post #3 of 17
Balanced Power Technologies BP.Jr II Ultra ($350 USD street) + PS Audio xStream Plus PC ($200 USD street) = $550 USD [excluding shipping fees]. Save the rest of your money.

The BPT BP.Jr II Ultra uses a different approach to providing clean, noise free, sound improvement - common mode rejection. I'm no electrician but go to http://www.b-p-t.com for more details. This unit is very small, fairly lightweight, and it is upgradeable like all heck. Comparing my memory of having no power conditioner versus my BPT BP.Jr II Ultra, I'd say that the differences are dramatic: lowered noise floor (elimination of ground loop hum), blacker background, more linearity, and greater details come through; this is just from a stock unit too! Just be sure to get some Vibrapods or the cones if you decide to get one and put it on a carpeted floor.

The PS Audio xSTREAM Plus PC is also highly recommended. It's thick, extremely flexible, and well shielded. Comparing my memory of the factory power cord against the PS Audio xStream Plus PC, I'd say it's a no contest win in favor of the latter product. What I heard is much better bass definition and attack; bass became very tight, fast, and punchy. Midrange bloomed up quite a bit but it was the trebles that smoothened out and became better articulated which still sticks out in my memory. Mind you, I still have this PC.

Yeah, I'd say you can't go wrong with these two recommendations.
 
Jan 11, 2004 at 6:21 PM Post #4 of 17
What's the current-draw for each of your components?
 
Jan 11, 2004 at 6:27 PM Post #5 of 17
Are you experiencing power related noise or other problems now? Are you just looking for an enhancement? Which of your components have plugs to accept aftermarket cords? How many household electric circuits are you using to your system now, what are the circuit amp ratings and the gauges and conductor types of the wires in the wall? Can you separate any components/lights/appliances generating rf to other circuits?
 
Jan 11, 2004 at 6:39 PM Post #6 of 17
Chang lightspeed 9600 MKII or the Chang lightspeed HTS 1000 MKII. They improve the sound a bunch and can supply tons of power for high current amps. the 9600 can supply 2400 watts(20 amps) and the 1000, 3600 watts(30 amps). I used there products for years and found none better. I've also used monster, PS Audio, and Audio Power.
Also the Panamax 5500 and 5510, AC regenerators look very interesting. www.etronics.com have the best prices on them.
 
Jan 11, 2004 at 7:24 PM Post #7 of 17
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Originally posted by Old Pa
Are you experiencing power related noise or other problems now? Are you just looking for an enhancement? Which of your components have plugs to accept aftermarket cords? How many household electric circuits are you using to your system now, what are the circuit amp ratings and the gauges and conductor types of the wires in the wall? Can you separate any components/lights/appliances generating rf to other circuits?


Old Pa
1. Not really
2. Yes, i am hoping for an enhancement
3. All the products can accept aftermarket cords
4. I am only using one household electric circuit on my current system
5. I'm not sure what the circuit amp ratings, guages and conductors in the wall (I live in an apartment building. Not a very recent construction either1)
6. I doubt I can separate any other components to an alternative circuit. In addition I'm not certain if that would be enough as my neighbours may still be using noisy devices. I do notice a dimming of lights periodically, presumably from high VA devices being switched on elsewhere.

jpelg
I'm not sure what the current draw on the sharp products or the headamp are. I'll try to look them up but most of the info in the manuals and websites are sketchy

Tom
Are you saying the Chang Lightspeeds are better than the Monster, PS audio and Panamax products?
 
Jan 11, 2004 at 8:42 PM Post #8 of 17
I'm saying the Lightspeeds I've had all made more, and better sonic changes than the Monster, PS audio, and audio power line conditioners I've heard and used. I'm waiting for my first Panamax (M-5500 ac regenerator) to get here. I just ordered it.
If you don't want to use up all your money the Chang Lightspeed 6600 MKII is VERY GOOD. it provide 20 amps of power (2400 watts). It has four digital and four analoge outputs that are seperate.
 
Jan 11, 2004 at 9:23 PM Post #9 of 17
For what it's worth, I'll give my impressions. I have the Monster Cable HTS 5000 MKII power conditioner and, while I hoped it would make a difference, I really never noticed anything. Others, of course, might have different experiences.

Now, my feelings regarding power cords are entirely different. My first aftermarket power cord came when I bought my Arcam 72T CD player. The shop owner where I bought the Arcam was so adament that I use a Transparant PC, insisting that it would significantly improve the sound, that, when I told him I wasn't interested in buying one, he gave me his demo for free. Never switched cords, so I'm unaware what, if any, difference it made.

Fast forward to a few months ago. I was a moderator on a board at another forum. A thread started on how much of a sonic improvement aftermarket power cords were adding to their Rotel pre/pros. This thread kept growing and growing and I eventually gave in to try the one most often cited, from VH Audio. I went in skeptical, feeling I'd almost certainly return the cord before the trial period was up. Well, silly me. I immediately noticed an improvement in the clarity of notes, less noisy background, etc. Again, I was a skeptic, so was looking to find no changes. I started a thread at AudioAsylum.com and it was conjectured that the difference was caused by the cord not picking up "noise" from other components such as my power amp due to added shielding. It should be noted that the PC's on Rotels get a lot of complaints and that, when I purchased another for my Denon DVD player, I didn't notice any difference in performance. Still, the benefits of the PC for myself and others on the Rotel was significant.
 
Jan 13, 2004 at 2:42 PM Post #11 of 17
The reason to do any electrical stuff is to take care of obvious problems and to increase isolation, the "quiet" that really makes high end audio. If the other aspects of audio reproduction are done properly (including the room), most of any remaining improvements seem to come from dropping the background soundfloor. This is the masking against which all else operates against.

Since I believe in basics, I would start by replacing your wall duplex receptacle with an isolated ground hospital grade unit. The PS unit incorporates all the possible improvements the manufacturer (Hubbell) lists (with a hefty profit for PS). I'm using a 20A cryoed isolated ground hospital grade Hubbell unit. When installing your new plug (after turning off the circuit at the breaker box!), chemically clean the wires, attach in proper polarity and tightly for a good mechanical connection (airtight). Now you can get all that's at the wall to your components. I switched my lights with rheostats to a different circuit to isolate their possible rf. Also plugged the CD players into a separate filter to isolate their possible RF. Chemically clean all plugs with CAIG's DeOxit or equivalent. Just use a product for 1) nonprecious metal surfaces, and 2) one that cleans as well as conditioning the contact surfaces.

As I understand it, the fundimental electrical problems to be overcome are 1) sufficient and appropriate conductor, 2) isolation from extraneous electronic signal (micro-arcing and rf), and 3) airtight, conditioned mechanical connections. Proprietary wire structures, aesthetics, and snake oil aside, these three are what you are hearing. BTW, I do not have a video aspect to my #1 audio sustem, largely because of all the RF problems that would introduce, but secondarily because I am not in a position to power that range of additional hardware at any one place in my house.

For my components with removable cords, I found some solid, well reviewed cords on Audiogon for about $50 each. These have soldered rather than simply pressed electrical connections. I'm also using a basic JR designed DIY filter for my front end components. All the mechanical connections, power cords as well as interconnects and cables, get revisited every couple years for chemical cleaning.

All that said, I think I realized my biggest improvement in isolation through mechanical isolation of the components and speakers. I"m using a Sanus isolating rack filled with graphited steel shot and spike coupled to the concrete slab beneath my flooring (the rack itself with shot and marble top slap weighs over 180#). The former Frieds (as well as the present B&W 800s
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) are spike mounted as well. This was the improvement (with the Frieds) that caused SWMBO to come running in and accuse me of getting all new hardware behind her back. That's a pretty impressive testimonial to the efficacy of the tweak.

And all that said, this type of tweak in cummulative; you keep adding to your improvement and isolating your problems. Just remember the basics, and IMHO, mechanical isolation bought me more improvements than electrical isolation did.
 
Jan 14, 2004 at 5:01 PM Post #13 of 17
Buy a used PS Audio P300. And then buy power cables of your choice. Use the beefiest highest power one for the P300.

If you don't mind the added heat and inefficient use of power, you will be rewarded with better power.

-Ed
 
Jan 19, 2004 at 10:06 PM Post #14 of 17
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Originally posted by Edwood
Buy a used PS Audio P300. And then buy power cables of your choice. Use the beefiest highest power one for the P300.
If you don't mind the added heat and inefficient use of power, you will be rewarded with better power.


Ed, did you notice any limiting of dynamics with the PS Audio powerplant?
 
Jan 20, 2004 at 12:36 AM Post #15 of 17
Quote:

Originally posted by tom hankins
Chang lightspeed 9600 MKII or the Chang lightspeed HTS 1000 MKII. They improve the sound a bunch and can supply tons of power for high current amps. the 9600 can supply 2400 watts(20 amps) and the 1000, 3600 watts(30 amps). I used there products for years and found none better. I've also used monster, PS Audio, and Audio Power.
Also the Panamax 5500 and 5510, AC regenerators look very interesting. www.etronics.com have the best prices on them.


Is your panamax here yet? Why did you go for the 5500 over the 5510

Old Pa,
That was a really great post. Nonetheless, it will be hard for me to change the existing wiring, because this is a rented place. I'm looking for changes I can make distal to the wall socket. All of the components I am using have spiked feet (including my speakers) and the source is on an isolation pad provided by sharp in addition to the spikes. The stand I'm using seems to be fairly heavy and stable as well, so I am looking at power as the next big target.
 

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