Best gaming controller

[botmann]

Immersion with rumble, like most things other aspects in games, is about the context and execution. Controller weight has never been an issue for me. Heck, I fall sleep with the controller in my hand and have yet to drop it, LOL.

 

[SilverEars]

So, I got the 8bitdo 2C today, and I don't like the feel of it. It feels cheap on the hand, and mostly do not like the trigger buttons. It's not easy to trigger runic attacks on GoW, which needs both L1 and R1 pressed simultaneously. It has issues triggering this compared to the Dual Sense. I think Dual Sense is a really good controller for it's design and button placements and the way the buttons react, however the reliability isn't so great.

What I like about the Dual Sense is the trigger buttons are large and very reactive. It feels precise in how they react. On the other hand 2C's trigger buttons are too thin and doesn't feel great for precision presses. It misses when I try to trigger a runic attack by pressing both together.

I want a Dual Sense with hall effect sticks, and it would be the best controller out there. I don't think I want to hold on to the 2C or buy another 8bitdo. I may go for the Vadar 4 pro and see how it compares to the Dual Sense.

Also, I have issues with Dual Sense when it comes to how it's held. Feels good at first, but the hand gets tired after awhile. Perhaps the Xbox holding design is better for long holding?

 

[SilverEars]

I take back what I said about the 2C. I beat Sigrun, the hardest boss on GoW in GMGOW difficulty with the 2C. Now I know it's very precise, although build seams cheap.

I like the feel of the Dual Sense, but I guess 2C just has better response.

I also got the Vadar 4 pro, and don't like it. I hate the trigger buttons on it, and buttons feels really weird with the springy feedback. D-pad sucks. Tensioner is very cool, but that trigger is too high up that I can only press part of the trigger. Sorry, by trigger, I mean the bumper.

 

[SilverEars]

I tried the Vadar 4 Pro again, and two things I notice that is not good.

1. There's noticible amount of lag, and I found out it got tested. Wow, Flydigi cannot be trusted!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Controller/comments/1dwrtle/user_tests_of_real_latency_flydigi_vader_4_pro/

2. The bumper buttons feel to high up that my finger doesn't naturally hit.

Edit: I'll try updating the firmware!

It's a disappointment. They really hyped it up, and the lag is the worst part.

On the other hand, I can feel lack of lag with the 2C, just like LTT reviewed. Lowest lag of all controllers with the wireless dongle. And you get this performance for less than half the price of the Flydigi.

Dayum, 8 bitdo ultimate 2C with hall effect sticks and 1000hz polling rate for only 29.99 and the wired version is 19.99. Their wireless is the fastest latency.

Main thing I don't like about the 2C is the small size. I wish it was bigger for a better fit with my hand.

 

[SilverEars]

Check this out. It has all the latency tests! The Chinese controllers generally have higher lag. KingKong controller has significantly more lag. I thought the build quality was shoddy when I first got them.

https://gamepadla.com/

2C has much lower stick latency !

Vadar 4 Pro

 

[TrollDragon]

Nothing worse than a squeaky trigger on the 8BitDo Ultimate, so a little silicone grease solves that problem.

 

[SilverEars]

Nothing worse than a squeaky trigger on the 8BitDo Ultimate, so a little silicone grease solves that problem.

I want to mod my Dual Sense, but unsoldering the pot with multiple solder points is a real pain of a process. I looked up the Youtube vid, and only way to do it is using solder wick. I wish I can get somebody to do it for me. I dream of owning a Dual Sense with hall effect analog sticks. Dual Sense fits my hand perfectly!

 

[TrollDragon]

I want to mod my Dual Sense, but unsoldering the pot with multiple solder points is a real pain of a process. I looked up the Youtube vid, and only way to do it is using solder wick. I wish I can get somebody to do it for me. I dream of owning a Dual Sense with hall effect analog sticks. Dual Sense fits my hand perfectly!

The most important thing is how much experience you've had soldering, solder wick is great stuff but it can very easily lift the traces from the board if you are not careful. Purchasing quality rosin flux wick from Chemtronics or MG Chemicals work the best but requires cleanup as they will leave a residue. Q-Tips and 99% IPA does a good job cleaning so you don't really need to purchase any flux remover. Practice is the key with any kind of solder work, start first on an old board and learn how the solder wick draws out the solder. Sometimes you might have to add a little solder to get the wicking action working better but that all comes to experience desoldering components efficiently and not butcher your board in the process. Most times it's much easier just to cut the legs of the compnonts with flush cutters first and desolder the leg pieces out.

You could also pick up a vacuum powered desoldering iron, they are quite cheap and do a good job. Again these take some practice and are not the same quality as a $500 station but will get the job done.

https://www.amazon.com/HighTop-Electric-Automatic-Desoldering-Soldering/dp/B0932TJX9X/

 

[TrollDragon]

I want to mod my Dual Sense, but unsoldering the pot with multiple solder points is a real pain of a process. I looked up the Youtube vid, and only way to do it is using solder wick. I wish I can get somebody to do it for me. I dream of owning a Dual Sense with hall effect analog sticks. Dual Sense fits my hand perfectly!

Lifting board traces is one of the biggest problems when desoldering components. The via might look clear but a small bit of solder is still holding the leg on the other side of the board, you pull up on the component and end up pulling the top via pad/trace away with the leg. Joystick pots with 14 legs it makes the chances of things going sideways a lot easier, thats why I said it's better to clip as many of the legs first and desolder the ones you can't get at. To check if a component leg is complete free of solder take tweezers and see it the leg will move freely in the hole. If it doesn't then there might be a chance of solder on the other side of the board holding it. If you cant get at the leg from the other side, you can try to add a little solder back to that leg and wick again. Keep in mind the longer you have the leg/pad heated with the iron, the greater chance of loosening the pads from the PCB itself and that is never a good thing.

This guy on reddit didn't quite get all the solder out of the via and ripped off the pad on the other side of the board. It can be fixed but sometimes requires fine soldering to do so.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskElectro.../well_i_have_a_very_serious_problem_with_ps5/

 

[SilverEars]

I take back what I said about the 2C. I beat Sigrun, the hardest boss on GoW in GMGOW difficulty with the 2C. Now I know it's very precise, although build seams cheap.

I like the feel of the Dual Sense, but I guess 2C just has better response.

I also got the Vadar 4 pro, and don't like it. I hate the trigger buttons on it, and buttons feels really weird with the springy feedback. D-pad sucks. Tensioner is very cool, but that trigger is too high up that I can only press part of the trigger. Sorry, by trigger, I mean the bumper.

Adding to further insights to 2C. Yeah, the bumper buttons are a real problem like I said earlier. The problem is that it's too easy to press and held down, but also, there is not a lot of range of pressing it down, very short range that it's not easily noticeable sometimes. Dual Sense or generally Sony controllers makes it so that pressing it is very deliberate, you feel confident you pressed it down. on the 2C, it's too thin shaped area and the way my finger is on there I can easily hold it down without knowing or feel like I pressed it since it's angled out to the side as well.

I feel like bumper buttons shouldn't be reached at an angle since it's easy for finger to press it down without intentions. Should be cut off at the top, not extend to the sides. You want the tip of the index finger to hit it, not the other part of it to touch it, which would have you press it unintentionally. Given how easy it is to press it on the 2c, I don't like it. Maybe it's because there's not enough angle leading up to the bumper button, I feel like it's on the side too. I prefer more angle for interaction with the bumper buttons.

That is not all, the analog stick is kinda too tight, I wish we can adjust it like in the Vadar 4 Pro. I feel that Dual Sense is too loose, so I want the avg or make it adjustable.

Still, I beat the hardest boss in GoW Ragnarok (Gna) with the 2C. But, I feel Dual Sense could be used too. 2C just don't feel comfortable to hold and bumper button just don't feel right. I say this since bumper buttons are really important in GoW games. You trigger all your attacks and Runic attacks with the bumper. You want it to accuratly reflect your intentions. I guess the highlight of the 2C is the very low latency of the stick, and the buttons feels perfect. And it's one of the better d-pads.

If feel that 8bitdo has really well made buttons without a doubt. No sticky buttons encountered, and just feel perfect IMO. Very durable based on my last one I used. The last one's usb-c got messed up, so I don't trust their usb-c connectors to last.

Regarding usb-c, you don't want to use a heavy cable that weighs down on the usb-c connection, it's best to use thin usb cable that don't weigh it down. Always unplug when not using to make it last.

 

[SilverEars]

I'm looking at the Vadar 4 Pro's stick latency. Is this acceptable for PC? X-input is PC. Under 15msec is not noticible? Edit: may bad, I was looking at minimum latency, their max latency is bad! I really need the stick to respond fast for my needs, I cannot use this controller.

 

[SilverEars]

Make sure to look at this too! Stick resolution.

 

[sajesak]

I tend to find the MS Xbox controllers work well for my needs. I use the regular controllers. I haven't used or purchased an Elite controller because the price and I hear/read about the controllers haven't issues, like mentioned earlier. I do like the Xbox One Bluetooth controller a lot. I find it to be robust in that I can use on Xbox, Andriod or PC. I haven't tried it on a PlayStation or anything. The only knock on it is that you can only sync it with one device. The Xbox Series X|S controller can be sync'd with an Xbox and Bluetooth device, thus two devices. Both controllers have after market phone holders, but I think the Xbox One's have smaller versions that work well. In fact, the version I have I am to have clipped on and store on the controller in a hardshell case. I use recharged USB AA batteries in my controllers. The only thing with them, there really isn't much of warning when they lose power. They're cheaper than MS rechargeable battery packs.

I'm a little indifferent to PlayStation controllers. I do like the analog sticks are symmetrical. I can care less than the touchpad thing. They gyroscope could be cool, but it is rarely use in a game that is useful or cool. Plus, since the battery is internal, it'll eventually go bad. Sony does not make them user friendly to replace the battery.

https://capzcut.com/

I agree with your recommendation of Hall effect analog stick controllers for their enhanced precision. The Gulikit Kingkong 2/Pro and the new 8bitdo Bluetooth controller both feature Gulikit's hall effect analog sticks, which improve accuracy and durability compared to traditional potentiometer-based sticks. These controllers are great options for gamers looking to elevate their gameplay with more responsive controls. The difference in performance is noticeable, especially in precision-demanding games.

 

[SilverEars]

Guys, I guess latest tech for analog stick is TMR. https://gamerant.com/tmr-vs-hall-effect-joysticks-explained/

https://www.gulikit.com/productinfo/1251251.html

Sounds like you get better stick resolution with more precision.

Game Sir Cyclone 2 has TMR. https://www.gamesir.hk/blogs/news/gamesir-cyclone-2-pro-for-everyone

https://gamepadla.com/gamesir-cyclone-2.html

I think this is Game Sir's first TMR analog, and it says it has 5000 positions:

Stick Resolution​

The stick resolution of the Gamesir T3 Pro gamepad has a motion resolution of 0.0002. This means that it can register 5000 positions from the center point of the stick to its outermost edge. This is similar to the resolution of a monitor, where more pixels provide a clearer image. In the case of gamepad sticks, higher resolution ensures smoother and more precise control. As a rule, 125 positions are more than enough for a comfortable game.

It is important to know that some gamepads do not have a constant resolution and give out 0.0078 or 0.0150 (for example). Therefore, the number of end positions may differ from the real ones.

 

[TrollDragon]

Guys, I guess latest tech for analog stick is TMR.

I'm going to install a pair of these in one of my PS5 controllers when I get a chance.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DHWWF218/