[MdRex]

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So basically you're saying its OK to sell out? Riiiight. That kind of attitude is the exact reason why we have to listen to "artists" like Avril Lavigne on the radio, while real musicians play gig to gig just to survive, never making it big.

Avril Lavigne was pop princess from day one, unashamedly so. My point being that you dont have to listen to the radio if it is that bad. So I don't see why you are being so uptight about having commercial pop on pop radio stations. Unless you have a compulsive disorder to tune into pop radio, then you may have a point.

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Avril Lavigne is a representative of her big-label record firm. She does what they tell her to. She didn't have to take that path, however.

Music is to entertain IMO. So if what she puts out entertains her target audience, more power to her. You make it sound like music is on the same level as a life and death situation, commercialised pop is gold to people who enjoys it, if you think its trash, then don't listen to it. Those who don't enjoy avantgarde music (or "forward thinking" (as you will put it)) will not change their mind and enjoy those more "artistically" driven (gosh who's to judge) even if commercial pop doesn't exist.

The existence of commercial pop gives some audience what they want, how will that kill the music scene? I don't find enjoyment in looking at abstract art pieces, I would rather read a (commercialised) comic book from marvel or DC. So even if Marvel or DC gets blown away to dust on this earth, the chances are that I still wouldnt like abstract artistic paintings.

Who the heck are you to say that commercial artist sold their souls to labels?

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Frankly, I find your attitude on this manner sickening, because it's illogical and completely invalid because you don't have the first clue of what you're talking about. But that's fine - people on my side of the music industry make money off of people with much more intelligent mindsets than that.

Now you are getting personal...

For the rest: sorry for the derailing. My apologies.

 

[Lou Erickson]

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Originally Posted by FalconP /img/forum/go_quote.gif It's like the Spice Girls are back from the dead.

Ooo! I like the Spice Girls. Completely pointless fun pop music. Yay!

Maybe I'll have to give this a listen.

I'm out of touch with current music. I've been hiding in the world of hard-drive-player for five years... TO THE RECORD STORE!

(What *do* you call someplace you buy music today? It isn't really a record store, there's no records, and music stores sell instruments, not recordings. Hmm.)

One of the things I'm doing, besides getting a really nicely listenable system put together is buying music again.

 

[upstateguy]

I like her "Temple of Life" song.....

 

[Agent Kang]

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Originally Posted by Aman /img/forum/go_quote.gif What a ridiculous statement. Do you know ANYTHING about the music industry? It's easier than ever for an indie artist to make more than a great salary as a musician. There are lots more than 52,000 musicians out there, and the ones that perform professionally are dedicating their lives to their craft. For the majority of professional musicians, it isn't about the money. For the ones that make a grand fortune for their work, they had to have extremely large ambitions, a great work ethic, and a hell of a lot of luck. But just two of those three characteristics can allow any musician to achieve a proper career. Avril Lavigne is a representative of her big-label record firm. She does what they tell her to. She didn't have to take that path, however. You're right, pop music isn't the "destroyer", but I never made a claim otherwise anyway. Sure, it's ruining the superficial categorization of the art of music as a whole, but it's a free market and I'm perfectly fine with that. People who want to sell their souls for an exorbitant amount of money should be allowed to do so! But I'll tell you this much: Many musicians are, and are capable of, sticking true to their artistic merits and goals while still making Lavigne-levels of cash revenue. It's a business and you have to play it smart. The ones who don't mind such artistic merit become slaves to the labels, and that's their prerogative, but if you know enough about the entertainment industry, you can be not nearly as popular as Lavigne is and still make more money than her. I never claimed to be the messiah. It appears that it's perfectly okay to like something, but once you DISLIKE something, you're immediately taken as some politically-incorrect warlord. Frankly, I find your attitude on this manner sickening, because it's illogical and completely invalid because you don't have the first clue of what you're talking about. But that's fine - people on my side of the music industry make money off of people with much more intelligent mindsets than that.

Talk about self-righteousness and a shameless display of intellectual snobbery.

 

[Aman]

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Originally Posted by MdRex /img/forum/go_quote.gif Music is to entertain IMO. So if what she puts out entertains her target audience, more power to her. You make it sound like music is on the same level as a life and death situation, commercialised pop is gold to people who enjoys it, if you think its trash, then don't listen to it. Those who don't enjoy avantgarde music (or "forward thinking" (as you will put it)) will not change their mind and enjoy those more "artistically" driven (gosh who's to judge) even if commercial pop doesn't exist.

If all you see in music is mere entertainment, then fine - that's your superficial belief. That's not what the music world really is like! Some of it is just to push products and sell records, like Avril Lavigne, others are an extremely dense exploration of logic and mind, and others are religious experiences that cannot be paralleled otherwise. Ever heard an album of Mazatec Tribe mushroom chants from Central/South America? It's one of the most sacred things in the world to them. Are you honestly trying to belittle the artistic value of more sacred/serious musics?

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Originally Posted by MdRex /img/forum/go_quote.gif Who the heck are you to say that commercial artist sold their souls to labels?

Who am I to say? Well, I run a record label, for starters. I know what entails the commercial success of super stars like Avril Lavigne. Today's music industry doesn't cater towards artistically-brilliant/innovative musicians on the major labels. Furthermore, because of this, said musicians never reach the status of people who release much less innovative works. I'm not saying Avril Lavigne is talentless (though, she may very well be); I'm saying that she releases commercial music, which, in essence, is dull, unoriginal, and lacking in theoretical/production/technical brilliance. The people responsible for Avril Lavigne's fame, on the other hand, such as the ghost writers, marketing experts, and corporate advertising executives, ARE brilliant. They are implementing their craft of mass manipulation and extreme visual stimuli to incredible success, and should be praised by others in their field for doing so.

I use Jimi Hendrix as the example for whenever this topic comes up. He lived an alternative life style which the average record buyer could not relate to, preached messages with much more relative depth and spirituality, and did not start any new corporate trends which caused non-music-related industries such as fashion firms to increase revenue. Instead, the man was seen for his incredible guitar playing, powerful message, and virtuous band. And yet he recorded for Reprise, a hugely popular label during the time. He sold millions of albums! This could never happen in today's industry.

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Originally Posted by MdRex /img/forum/go_quote.gif Now you are getting personal...

It was personal from the start when you said I claimed to be the 'messiah' of music.

 

[FalconP]

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Originally Posted by Borat /img/forum/go_quote.gif Did her record company tell her to act bratty all the time, alienate many of her younger fans by cursing freely on this record, and to marry that ****** from Sum 41? This is all her own doing.

The marriage, probably not; the rest can very well be designed and scripted by her publicity coach. That's how her label can market her as a "punk-pop princess" instead of a "puke-pop puppet".

 

[TheMarchingMule]

...Hey guys, I just took a step back from this thread and thought, "Why are we all fighting about Avril Lavigne??

 

[sebascrub]

What ever happened to that girl? Not that I ever liked her music (and I have listened to it more than enough - my brother used to listen to her stuff all the time), but at least, in a pink sea of poppy princesses, she tried to make an effort (manufactured or not is besides the question. The notion of true rebellion is totally absurd and structuralist. I love the Sex Pistols to death, but they too were "manufactured" to a certain extent). Was she ever going to be a true rebel? Probably not, but then, seldom are. At least she was trying. Now, she just gave up, dressed in pink, and sung about some saccharine sweet topic that makes me gag every time it comes on the radio, if I even notice it amidst all the other similar sounding music out there.

Then again, even when she was more of a "rebel" I still didn't give her any credibility. I guess she's screwed in my books. Not that she cares.

 

[Demonmnky]

Avril Lavine is no good. Sorry.

If you want some female led punk go listen to some Tilt. Harder to find since there is a trance/techno group/dude using the same name but you can listen to samples on Amazon. Unravel is my favorite track of theirs.

 

[RasmusseN]

Avril Lavine is horrible.

 

[bubbamc119]

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Originally Posted by raymondlin /img/forum/go_quote.gif Anyway, the music. Brilliant !!!

You have got to be Sh&$ting me!

Get a new pair of ears buddie.

 

[BIG POPPA]

OMG How old are you again? If you have never heard music before you might have a leg to stand on.....Until then.........LOL

 

[upstateguy]

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Originally Posted by Demonmnky /img/forum/go_quote.gif Avril Lavine is no good. Sorry. If you want some female led punk go listen to some Tilt. Harder to find since there is a trance/techno group/dude using the same name but you can listen to samples on Amazon. Unravel is my favorite track of theirs.

Is that the same Tilt that did Libel and Animated Corpse?

 

[Thelonious Monk]

i keep on thinking of responses as to why people need to stop talking about alizee already, then i see the image again and forget what i was saying.