[TheGhostWhoWalks]

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P.S. I found the best "mod" for K550 to increase the clamping force! ))) :
 
 

 

Hehe, I actually use one of these with my R10s: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000K6GW9W/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1 since it also serves to block out any remaining light in the room.

 

[dan.gheorghe]

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Have both headphones finally so really interested in your opinion on them... My opinion in short - after getting HD800 a week ago, I realised that these headphones were exactly what I was searching for. Thus LCD-2 have to go... And my dreams about LCD-3 came to a quick end. Luckily because their price in Europe is CRAZY!

 
I have listened to both of them for 2 nights in a row, and for now I must say I just love both of them, and each one keeps me tight on my chair. And I must say that even when I change them on the same song I still love that song with both headphones, as they are so different and so awesome in their differences. 
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Dan, Congrats on a terrific thread! It is a great read and I can certainly relate to a lot of your story. Keep it coming and I will keep posting Toxic Cables reviews for you...

 
Thanks longbowbbs! I hope I will write about the Toxic cable soon too!
 
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I've enjoyed this entire series of posts, dan, but this part was one of the best things I've read on the internet in a while. So sweet, and the look of your wife getting caught singing along was priceless! I had a similar experience introducing my friends and family to my system. It's so wonderful to watch people you love enjoying music on such a higher level than they ever have. Thanks for sharing these posts.

 
Thank you TheGhostWhoWalks. Actually that was my first story like this on headfi : Audeze LCD2 Bamboo Impressions , and that is the reason I started this thread/blog. I realized I love writing and I uhh...love people liking what I write 

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Hehe, I actually use one of these with my R10s: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000K6GW9W/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1 since it also serves to block out any remaining light in the room.

 
Simple but efficient fixes 

 ( I still use it, even at the office ) )

 

[milarepa]

Once again Dan, I must commend your writing. Great stuff, keep it coming. This is a great thread!

 

[Focker]

I just finished reading through your chapters and I really enjoyed it. I have to say, though, the best part for me was when you mentioned how your friend with the system he had no plans to change was telling you to focus on the REAL goal of all of this - the music. This isn't a criticism, because I think we're all this way, but you really strike me as someone who loves new gear lol. I think the most telling point of this was when you felt something just wasn't right with your Conductor/LCD-2 rig, after having been so enamored with it, and then realizing a USB cable was the problem. I think that's a clear indication that you may want to revisit your friend's advice to get back to focusing on the music, man! The only reason I'm saying that is because you mentioned that you agreed with your friend that maybe you had lost some focus and allowed yourself to drift more into the "obsession" as opposed to the hobby. I'm not meaning to debate whether a USB cable can make an audible difference, I just think it's clear that you really love buying audio gear  Great read, though...the most important thing is that you're having fun!

 

[disastermouse]

I'd really like to hear your opinions on the HiFiMan headphones, as I moved from the HD 650 to the HE-500 and at first it was jarring - but the mids and the detail retrieval blew me away after adjusting. I don't have an amp worthy of them yet (FiiO E9 - I have an O2 as well, but it doesn't play nice with my MSII+ DAC). I have a Schiit Magni on the way and I'm hoping it brings a noticeable difference.

I'm half-tempted to get a nice tube amp and then just save my money for the Stax SR-009 and the Blue Hawaii...but then I started thinking about a good SACD source.

Can someone get the OP a set of HE-500 to audition? I have no idea how they'd compare to a proper LCD-2 with a good system.

 

[citraian]

 
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I just finished reading through your chapters and I really enjoyed it. I have to say, though, the best part for me was when you mentioned how your friend with the system he had no plans to change was telling you to focus on the REAL goal of all of this - the music. This isn't a criticism, because I think we're all this way, but you really strike me as someone who loves new gear lol. I think the most telling point of this was when you felt something just wasn't right with your Conductor/LCD-2 rig, after having been so enamored with it, and then realizing a USB cable was the problem. I think that's a clear indication that you may want to revisit your friend's advice to get back to focusing on the music, man! The only reason I'm saying that is because you mentioned that you agreed with your friend that maybe you had lost some focus and allowed yourself to drift more into the "obsession" as opposed to the hobby. I'm not meaning to debate whether a USB cable can make an audible difference, I just think it's clear that you really love buying audio gear  Great read, though...the most important thing is that you're having fun!

 
Yeap, I can confirm that he has the buying fever )
 
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I'd really like to hear your opinions on the HiFiMan headphones, as I moved from the HD 650 to the HE-500 and at first it was jarring - but the mids and the detail retrieval blew me away after adjusting. I don't have an amp worthy of them yet (FiiO E9 - I have an O2 as well, but it doesn't play nice with my MSII+ DAC). I have a Schiit Magni on the way and I'm hoping it brings a noticeable difference.

I'm half-tempted to get a nice tube amp and then just save my money for the Stax SR-009 and the Blue Hawaii...but then I started thinking about a good SACD source.

Can someone get the OP a set of HE-500 to audition? I have no idea how they'd compare to a proper LCD-2 with a good system.

 
Oh no man, he will now want to buy the HE-500 ) And he will encourage me to do the same thing )

 

[dan.gheorghe]

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Once again Dan, I must commend your writing. Great stuff, keep it coming. This is a great thread!

 
Thank you milarepa . I will keep it coming as I really started enjoying writing.
 
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I just finished reading through your chapters and I really enjoyed it. I have to say, though, the best part for me was when you mentioned how your friend with the system he had no plans to change was telling you to focus on the REAL goal of all of this - the music. This isn't a criticism, because I think we're all this way, but you really strike me as someone who loves new gear lol. I think the most telling point of this was when you felt something just wasn't right with your Conductor/LCD-2 rig, after having been so enamored with it, and then realizing a USB cable was the problem. I think that's a clear indication that you may want to revisit your friend's advice to get back to focusing on the music, man! The only reason I'm saying that is because you mentioned that you agreed with your friend that maybe you had lost some focus and allowed yourself to drift more into the "obsession" as opposed to the hobby. I'm not meaning to debate whether a USB cable can make an audible difference, I just think it's clear that you really love buying audio gear  Great read, though...the most important thing is that you're having fun!

 
I am focusing on the music... but with different gear 

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I do not retract anything about what I have stated initially about  Burson Conductor . I still think it is a jewel and actually maybe even underrated sometimes 

 . I felt something was wrong as every time I listened to DarKus' Conductor (with stock usb cable) I felt it was warmer than mine, and when I first auditioned it, I did it with stock cable . Don't get me wrong even with the Wireworld Starlight Red, the sound was nice, but with the Chord is exactly how I want it to be.

Right now I am listening to Dream Theater "The Glass Prison" with HD800 and I love it. Yes that is right, I like hd800 with rock, I never thought this day will come. So yes, I love the Conductor and the Chord Silver Plus cable that really brings more bass and warms up the sound .
 
I do kind of love listening and testing other stuff and got really accustomed to writing here/blog. For example, now I am giving HD800 another listen. It presents the music very different than LCD2, and the fun fact is that even though they are so different I like them both very much! 
You can read more about this in my next story All I am saying now is that Burson Conductor really changed the sound of HD800 and made it really really enjoyable (The Chord Silver Plus helped too)
 
 
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I'd really like to hear your opinions on the HiFiMan headphones, as I moved from the HD 650 to the HE-500 and at first it was jarring - but the mids and the detail retrieval blew me away after adjusting. I don't have an amp worthy of them yet (FiiO E9 - I have an O2 as well, but it doesn't play nice with my MSII+ DAC). I have a Schiit Magni on the way and I'm hoping it brings a noticeable difference.

I'm half-tempted to get a nice tube amp and then just save my money for the Stax SR-009 and the Blue Hawaii...but then I started thinking about a good SACD source.

Can someone get the OP a set of HE-500 to audition? I have no idea how they'd compare to a proper LCD-2 with a good system.

 
I have always been curios about the Hifimans myself. If I get any change to audition one, you can be sure I will post my impressions on it 

 
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Yeap, I can confirm that he has the buying fever )
 
 
Oh no man, he will now want to buy the HE-500 ) And he will encourage me to do the same thing )

 
After the first time Traian came to me and auditioned the LCD2, the next few weeks he bought one. From that point on he never came to my home to audition the Burson Conductor, HD800 or anything else, as he is afraid for his wallet ) 

 

[citraian]

I'm not afraid, I'm happy

 

[dan.gheorghe]

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I'm not afraid, I'm happy

 
Then come to hear the Conductor 

, I dare you 

 )

 

[casanova]

Dan!
This is one great threat, your journey is very cool and your life is blessed with music.
Thank you for sharing.

 

[Focker]

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Thank you milarepa . I will keep it coming as I really started enjoying writing.
 
 
I am focusing on the music... but with different gear 

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LOL! Right on...

 

[citraian]

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Then come to hear the Conductor 

, I dare you 

 )

That's the idea. I'm trying to enjoy the music on my setup and it currently is terrific. Why would I ruin that? If something is not broken, don't fix it  

 

[dan.gheorghe]

Previously:

 

 
The Hobby: An Unexpected Journey
The Hobby: The Desolation of my wallet
The Hobby: There And Back Again
The fellowship of the Broken Wallets
The fellowship of the Broken Wallets: Part 2
The Two Titans: HD800 & LCD2
The Return Of The King
Burson Conductor: Ambush of the Wallet
The End of The Wallet: AKG K550, Creative Aurvana Live & FIIO E17
InToxicated Mind
Wrath of the Titans: Audeze LCD2 vs LCD3 & Burson Conductor vs M2Tech Vaughan
From Hobby to Obssesion and back to Hobby
The Ambush of the combos: AudioQuest Dragonfly vs FIIO E17 & Dragonfly with Burson Soloist; Dragonfly vs Conductor's DAC
The Ambush Continues: AKG K550 vs Sennheiser Momentum
The Audiophile USB Cable Surprise: Wireworld Starlight Red vs Chord USB Silver Plus
 
 

The Titans are Back : Sennheiser HD800 vs Audeze LCD2 & Burson Conductor

 

Hello  guys,

This post is really a special one. I have once listened to HD800 with Burson Conductor and I and i really liked the sound, as it was a few classes over the the sound given in combination with Burson HA-160ds.

For some while I thought of re-evaluating the sound of Sennheiser HD800, and DarKu was kind enough to lend it to me again. When I went at his place to get the HD800, I went with my Chord Silver Plus cable to show him the difference it makes. He listened to Infected Mushrooms - "Noon" with the stock usb cable and then he Chord Usb Silver plus. The song begins with strong bass after a few seconds. Before the bass kicked in,  he was tapping on the rhythm of song . The bass began and he suddenly stops moving and then he looks at me:



Yeah, the bass increased quite a bit, and the sound was a little warmer, and also more detailed.

With Burson Conductor, Sennheiser HD800 really made a big leap in my eyes,  as the sound changed in a very good and engaging way.



If you remember, in my last comparison, I used Burson HA-160DS as source and amplifier.

The first thing I must say to you guys it is that at that moment I haven't listened to Senheiser HD800 close to its' real value, far from it actually.

Burson Ha-160ds did not touch the best of Sennheiser HD800 and this made my choice to be very easy at that moment, so I chose the Audeze LCD2.

Don't get me wrong, as I really love the Audeze LCD2 headphones, and I don't regret the choice I have done at that moment.

I have listened to both headphones for a few days now. One friend asked me if I feel that the Audeze LCD2 is inferior to the Sennheiser HD800 after longer audition with the sens.

I responded to him truly that both headphones are wonderful and they are very good yin  and yang to each other. They are so different and so beautiful in their differences, as I enjoy them both and each one keep me strapped to my computer.  I have listened to the same song on both headphones many times and managed to enjoy the song almost just as much on both headphones, even though their presentation was so different.

Burson Conductor and the Chord Usb Silver Plus are quite a good match for Sennheiser HD800 .

The bass is amazing, and I started feeling the HD800s does nat lack bass , and its' sound is quite pleasing, detailed, revealing and smooth compared to the time I heard it from Ha-160ds .

The difference is quite amazing. I  started liking  rock with HD800, and much more. The prat is amazing .

When I think of HD800 this is the first thing that pops into my mind (precision, detail and tightness):

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When I think of Audeze LCD2 this is the first things that pops into my mind ( Power, smoothness and "magic"):



I will now attempt to do a little comparison on some songs:



Before I start the comparison I will talk a little about the naturality of the sound. As I was listening to both headphones I observed that Audeze LCD2 seemed much more natural to me and I have always considered it to be a natural sounding headphones.

One friend of mine, Traian says to me one day " How do you know what is natural? What is your point of reference?" . He was right. That was just my personal impression, but it was not tested.

I thought about this a little and then it struck me. I had a way to test this.
If you remember my "Return of the King: Audeze LCD2" post, I have a friend that sings at the national opera in Bucharest, and I have very nice interpretation of his : "Tosca".

I know him since we were kids, and I have heard him sing live lots of times. This was the perfect test. With Audeze LCD2 I felt he was near me and it was exactly as I know his voice to be. I always liked the warm and engaging tone of his voice and the LCD2 did an awesome job reproducing it.

With the Sennheiser HD800 his tone was changed. It was not as full and warm as it is in reality, added some noticeable sibilance to it, which I can guarantee it does not exist in his voice at all, nor on the reproduction with LCD2.

I have also been to one of Leonard Cohens' concert and I must say the voice seemed much more natural with Audeze LCD2.

You know the setup by now : Burson Conductor, Audeze LCD2, Sennheiser HD800, Chord Usb Silver Plus, Foobar 2000 with Bursons' Asio driver.

Tiamat - Judas Christ  "Sixshooter"

Sennheiser HD800

The bass on this track with HD800 was very impressive. It is very impactful, fast, deep and detailed. The hoarse voice was very nice reproduced and very well textured, but lacked a little in naturality. Actually I almost have nothing I don't like about this song with HD800 and I loved its intepretation.

Audeze LCD2

Ok...the bass...the bass is awesome and goes incredibly deep. It clearly has more body than HD800 and this gives me the impression that it goes deeper. The voice is more present and natural on LCD2. I amost felt his breath in my ear.

Chesky Vivaldi , The Four Seasons - "Andante"

Audeze LCD2

The instruments sounded very natural and had a very nice body, but I felt it lacked some air and it was a little crowded.

Sennheiser HD800

Ok ... the moment I put them on I heard more details, starting with the breath of the conductor and some cars passing by the hall the track was recorded. If you concentrate, you can hear them with LCD2 too, but they are more apparent with HD800.  There is clearly a lot more air between the instruments, the positioning was better and overall it was more enjoyable on HD800.

Vivaldi - Flute Concerto in D-21 - The Conneticut Early Music Festival 

Sennheiser HD800

The spatial impact was again very nice with HD800, and brought you more into the concert hall. The flutes were very detailed and present. The details in the treble are amazing. Also the separation of instruments is done very well.

Audeze LCD2

Ok, the cellos in this track were awesome with LCD2. You can feel their full extension and their body. The flutes, even if not as detailed as with HD800, were more natural to my ears. I also heard a truck passing by the studio with both headphones this time, but it was more present with LCD2, as I think it was a heavier truck and LCD2 has a more present lower sound. Even though i loved both presentations I liked LCD2's more on this one.

Chesky Vivaldi , The Four Seasons - "Allegro (La Caccia )"

Audeze LCD2

I loved LCD2's interpretation as all instruments sound so warm and natural. The violins and cellos sound absolutely amazing. The instruments meant to have lower tones were excellent presented by these headphones, as you could really feel their body.

Sennheiser HD800

The first thing that struck me again was the accurate spatial sound and the air between instruments. It helps you more to imagine yourself in a concert hall. Eventhough, again, I loved both presentations, I liked the Lcd2s more, because of the more natural and full bodied sound that made you feel you were in the middle of the orchestra.

Coldplay - Spies

Sennheiser HD800

The guitars and mids are amazing. The voice has a nice airiness attached to it, but it is a little sibilant. The drums very impactful and the PRAT is very nice. At the end the song becomes a little hot on the treble. The bass is very impactful and clean. I did not feel anything missing.

Audeze LCD2

Even though the details seem to be more on HD800, I don't feel LCD2 misses something when I listen to them. I has as much details as you need. The guitars sound a little different and more engaging with LCD2. The drums and the bass are more present with Audeze of course. When the song become to hot on the treble with HD800, it also became tiresome with LCD2, a little less hot, but still this proved it was also the recordings fault. The voice was more present and natural with LCD2.

AC/DC, Highway to Hell -" Beating Around the Bush

Audeze LCD2

Of course LCD2 rock  with this as expected. It was very engaging and feet tapping 

Sennheiser HD800

Ok. This was a surprise. HD800 really did well on this song. The PRAT was very nice and the song was very very engaging on HD800 too.

Dream Theater - "The Glass Prison"

Sennheiser HD800

The dynamics on this song were very very nice. HD800 managed again to rock  like it wasn't expected. The drums were really fast, impactful and engaging.  I loved the bass presentation on this one.

Audeze LCD2

Even though I loved HD800s' interpretation  I still prefer LCD2 with this song, as it has a more intimate sound which is better for rock, the drums were still fast and more impactful with lcd2 and the electric guitars sound better with it. You just cannot love the LCD2 with rock man, you just can't. However, I really liked HD800 with it too.

Infected Mushrooms - "Noon"

Audeze LCD2

The bass in this song is amazing and the LCD2s really hit it with this: fast, deep, impactful engaging

Sennheiser HD800

Though it did not had as much body as LCD2, the bass presentation of HD800 was absolutely amazing. The bass felt faster than with LCD2 and more punchy. It did not  have as much slam but it was amazing. I cannot treat HD800s' bass without respect, as it really knows how to hit it fast, low, deep and from every direction ) .

 

 

Sirenia -In my darkest hour

Sennheiser HD800

This song is very crowded and full of instruments. It is a little too crowded for my tastes, but it was a good test here.  On HD800 the sound was more 3d, it had more layers, and you can understand more of all the instruments that did not blend in in the same layer as with LCD2. This is where HD800 shined and proved easily to be more technically advanced than the LCD2. Even if it was kind of sibiliant this song was absolutely awesomely rendered by HD800.

Audeze LCD2

Even though the sound was more engaging, it had almost no sibiliance (the recording was a little sibiliant by nature), all instruments blended in in the same layer and the sound was kind of 2d compared to HD800. Amazingly I ended up liking the senns more with this song.

Conclusions 

I have understood now why Sennheiser HD800 is considered to be the neutrality king. The sound it produces depends a lot of your system actually. If your system is bright, its' sound will also be bright, if your system is warm, you will get a warmer sound. It is brighter than other headphones but I must admit that with Burson Conductor the level was within tolerable levels. It is also a very pretentious headphone, as with some amps it could sound bad, and it is harder to hit the right spot.

You can get a nice sound from LCD2 easier than with HD800, but the last one scales more than most headphones.

Bass -HD800 really has a very nice bass. It is very punchy, it is very fast and detailed and can go very deep, and I think almost as deep or actually as deep of LCD2.

Lcd2 however has more body in the bass and it is unique in its presentation. Although I have nothing to criticize about HD800s bass, I still like LCD2s' meaty bass a little more.

Mids - Both headphones have very nice mids and very detailed. However LCD2 has a smoother, warmer presentation that I really love.

Treble - HD800 has a very nice and detailed treble, but sometimes it can get a little tiresome. Even-though I heard many say LCD2 lacks in treble, I have never felt that. I think its treble is very nice, not as detailed as HD800s' but enough to make the songs enjoyable and more suited for longer listening sessions. However I sometimes miss the sparkle and details in HD800s treble.

Details - Overall HD800 is a more detailed headphone, but sometimes LCD2 seems to have a more detailed lower sound, as it has more body, and some details from the bass and lower midrange are easier to pick with LCD2.

HD800 is also more precise than LCD2. It's imaging is better and you can easily pinpoint a location of a sound. It has more air between the instruments, so the separation of instruments is better. Soundstage wise this headphone is amazing. I sometimes crave for its open sound, as you sometimes crave to open the window and when you open the window you start hearing all that happens outside. 

LCD2 has a very warm and engaging sound, which fits most genres. I even like it a lot with classical music ( It does a wonderful job with orchestras that have instruments which reproduce sounds from the lower spectrum). Its' sound is very natural and it reproduces voices in an extraordinary manner. Leonards Cohens' voice is magical with LCD2 for example.

Both headphones are unique and I really like them both a lot. Even though I still prefer LCD2, I think HD800 would be a very nice complementary headphone. I think these 2 headphones would bring you most of there is to bring  from music and this hobby.

If I would have listened to both headphones a year ago with Burson Conductor instead of HA-160ds, my decision between the two would have been much, much harder.

It would be no surprise if, someday, you will see me with both . I sometimes prefer the sound of HD800 over LCD2 and the way around and I often found myself reaching for HD800, as its' airiness and clean sound is like  fresh glass of cold water in a hot warm summer, or like a deep breath of fresh air.

I think that you can make them even more enjoyable if you take a good quality copper cable for them.

Comfort wise, even-though I haven't got any problem with Audeze, and the grip and the weight does not bother me, with HD800 sometimes I forget I have them on my head. I almost left the chair with them on my head.

Build quality wise, the LCD2 seem to be more sturdy, and HD800s' paint chips off in time, even if you treat it carefully.  Cable wise, I like the looks and built quality of HD800s' cable more than LCD2's cable that really looks like a 10$ cable(except from the jack, where both have nice ones).

One thing there is to add here again is that I am really amazed by the Burson Conductor again, as it did a A+++ job with every headphone I have thrown at it, from IEMS to AKG K550, Sennheiser Momentum, Sennheiser HD800, Audeze LCD2, Audeze LCD3.

Also the Chord USB Silver Plus was a very good addition to the system.

I actually told my wife that I loved these new headphones as well. She looked at me, and said "I presume you are still talking about the lcd2s and you are not talking about the new headphones you just borrowed".

My spider-man danger sense expected a moment similar to this if I go on:



...so I backed up a little and said " Of course those are still my favorite ones!".



It will be hard returning these headphones to DarKu, and I really hope one day both HD800 and LCD2  sit near my Burson Conductor.

I am expecting the Toxic Silver Widow cable soon, so the journey continues...



 

Next:

 

A nice surprise: Focal Spirit One
AudioPhile Power Cables Shootout
Focal Spirit One vs Sennheiser Amperior

 

[davidsh]

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That's the idea. I'm trying to enjoy the music on my setup and it currently is terrific. Why would I ruin that? If something is not broken, don't fix it  

Glad I didn't say that when I had iBuds

 

[LugBug1]

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The Titans are Back : Sennheiser HD800 vs Audeze LCD2 & Burson Conductor

Really enjoyed that thanks