Audio Technica updates their open headphones "AD" Series: AD2000x, AD1000x, AD900x, AD700x and AD500x
Sep 26, 2021 at 8:22 AM Post #2,191 of 2,202

BattousaiX26

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I am certainly not taking away anything from these headphones. If you look back in the thread, you will see that briefly owned the AD1000X. The 2 issues with these headphones are that they lack bass, and that the vocals can become harsh at high volumes due to fact that they are so forward at 4kHz.
I am treble sensitive person but I found ananda more fatiguing than my ad2000x.
 
Sep 26, 2021 at 12:32 PM Post #2,192 of 2,202

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After some listening tests I end up settling with the ad2000x. Thanks for the comment, @BattousaiX26

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I listen to mostly jpop and female vocals. I've been listening exclusively to the Etymotic ER4B for decades now (if you don't already know it is a BA IEM known for its ruthless amount of micro detail and bright treble, also known for having a very thin sound).

So I find the extra additional mysterious layer of thickness in the vocal quite soothing on the ad2000x.

The amount of detail it can reproduce is also notable, this is a lot to say considering I'm coming from a BA IEM especially er4B. If it doesn't have the detail that it had, the vocal especially cannot diffuse naturally in the sound stage.

What sold me however, was the spaciousness. That is, in addition to its excellent separation, instruments are not only separated sonically but also spatially.

Also, it is driven very well w/o an amp, directly out of my Mac, which is certainly a huge plus for me as I do not have any desktop amp setup. ( I tested it on my Hugo1 but I find the pairing too resolving.)


@Sp12er3 @BattousaiX26
Perhaps you guys can compare the vocal of the ad2000x to other headphones so we can have a better understanding of what the mysterious vocal quality is coming from. I just think that the vocal is smooth and sounds nice, compared to my other phones.
 
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Sep 26, 2021 at 12:42 PM Post #2,193 of 2,202

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I am certainly not taking away anything from these headphones. If you look back in the thread, you will see that briefly owned the AD1000X. The 2 issues with these headphones are that they lack bass, and that the vocals can become harsh at high volumes due to fact that they are so forward at 4kHz.
I think the ad2000x is almost as forward as the er4's, which is very forward. I can only listen at a low volume to get the soundstage and spacing right, else it sounds like an IEM i.e. with the vocal localization being right in the centre of the head and compressed sound-staging. That said I don't find the ad2000x shouty even at high volume. The harshness might come form the less amount of detail the ad1000x can reproduce compared to the 2000x.
 
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After some listening tests I end up settling with the ad2000x. Thanks for the comment, @BattousaiX26

:L3000:

I listen to mostly jpop and female vocals. I've been listening exclusively to the Etymotic ER4B for decades now (if you don't already know it is a BA IEM known for its ruthless amount of micro detail and bright treble, also known for having a very thin sound).

So I find the extra additional mysterious layer of thickness in the vocal quite soothing on the ad2000x.

The amount of detail it can reproduce is also notable, this is a lot to say considering I'm coming from a BA IEM especially er4B. If it doesn't have the detail that it had, the vocal especially cannot diffuse naturally in the sound stage.

What sold me however, was the spaciousness. That is, in addition to its excellent separation, instruments are not only separated sonically but also spatially.

Also, it is driven very well w/o an amp, directly out of my Mac, which is certainly a huge plus for me as I do not have any desktop amp setup. ( I tested it on my Hugo1 but I find the pairing too resolving.)


@Sp12er3 @BattousaiX26
Perhaps you guys can compare the vocal of the ad2000x to other headphones so we can have a better understanding of what the mysterious vocal quality is coming from. I just think that the vocal is smooth and sounds nice, compared to my other phones.
I can only compare its vocal to the headphones I have owned and tried at headphone stores. The airiness and its forwardness in sound is what makes it a good vocal headphones for me. However, it is not a good all arounder headphone for me. But for the genre you mentioned, I can't recall any other headphone that can beat it tonally for me. Also even though they are very easy to drive, they scale up with better amplifier. I tried them on my burson soloist 3x and I am surprised how airy and how the bass impact improved. However it can be a little bright at this setup, so I prefer it with just driving direct from my Ifi Neo iDSD which has warmer amplifier section.
 
Sep 27, 2021 at 12:19 AM Post #2,195 of 2,202

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agree, but again, I must say the one thing the original question ask is because they like the tuning, thats whats matter first IMO, technicality comes later.
tho yeah, if @darockymn is interested with this sound and cant stretch to the ad2000x, its better to go with AD1000x, the differenc ebetween the two is pretty minimal, most apparent changes are more on the build.
 
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I'm sure someone has asked this but has anyone tried ad2000 pads on the ad2000x?
Will it make the ad2000x sound more like ad2000?
 
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Yo guys, an update:

After a few days of listening, I find the driver of these headphones very capable. Layers of instruments are well separated and the sound staging is spacious, with layers properly placed. The treble extents high up while never sounding harsh. I don't think my Hugo has enough power to drive it cause the dynamics had suffered. Properly amped this thing is just ruthless at how fast the attack is. It is a head-banging machine:L3000:

The mid range tho, in some regards, it outright beats all my existing IEMs (ex1000, er4S, er4B). The vocal is so detailed that you can hear the embouchure of the vocalist, and the air movement in the throat. The vocalist sounds well hydrated, the mid is incredibly smooth with zero graininess no matter good or bad source I use.

However, one thing er4B is very good at is recreating violins. One can hear it so detailed as if a properly rosined bow ls rubbing on the strings. For vocal, I think this would be equivalent to recreating the detail vibration of the vocal cord when air goes through. This part however, is missing on the ad2000x. This makes the vocalist not localized. What I mean is it seems like the vocalist is smeared in a region of some confined space instead of being at a single point. For the lack of a better word it seems like the vocal is not focused.

I am not sure tho if the extra "detail" from the er4b is an artifact from distortion or a genuine detail, from many years of listening experience it sure sounds like the latter to me.
 
Oct 24, 2021 at 11:12 PM Post #2,199 of 2,202

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Ok,
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2 AD2000X.
1 AD2000.

16 Sets of pads(All original from AT Except the chinese Ebay pads).

I have 2 set of Pads of Original AD2000 And I have been comparing AD2000X VS AD2000 with original AD2000 Pads lol.

I could write a bible or thesis of them, I have years of research and modding with them, But Honestly I'm too lazy to make that HAHA.

I also Have A2000Z, A1000Z, AD900X, 2 ATH AR5BT, and some other headphones from other brands.
 
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Ok,
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2 AD2000X.
1 AD2000.

16 Sets of pads(All original from AT Except the chinese Ebay pads).

I have 2 set of Pads of Original AD2000 And I have been comparing AD2000X VS AD2000 with original AD2000 Pads lol.

I could write a bible or thesis of them, I have years of research and modding with them, But Honestly I'm too lazy to make that HAHA.

I also Have A2000Z, A1000Z, AD900X, 2 ATH AR5BT, and some other headphones from other brands.
So, are you going to compare them?
 
Oct 27, 2021 at 2:24 AM Post #2,201 of 2,202

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So, are you going to compare them?
I Already Did it , I have tons of info about the comparison lol.

It's funny because I wanted to make it fair for AD2000, So I used original AD2000 pads on both(I used both ad2000 pair of earpads with AD2000 and they seemed to sound the same, one is totally new ordered from AT, the other is "used" but it seems almost new to be honest, it even still smells like a new product =) .

I have an old set of pads of AD2000X and a new one, but the new set of earpads sounds much better than the old one(can't be sure it's for being old), so it's not fair when doing A/B , I do A/B because audio memory is not that good, you have to compare them in the moment for the "best" results.

I have evidence Audio Technica did a revision to the AD2000X earpads, now they seem as comfortable as the lower AD line.

I have TONS of info about both pairs.

Does the AD2000 earpads are responsible for AD2000 "Magic mids"?

What happens when AD2000x uses AD2000 pads and vice versa?

People noticed ad2000 had smaller soundstage, Can you manage to increase the size of the stage and keep the profile when using other original AT earpads?

Speed about both, is one of them faster?

Well, lots of questions, I have the answer for that and much more.

Earpads for sure make a difference , when people compared 2000x to 2000 or viceversa they were comparisons with their respective earpads, but comparing them with other earpads it's another world, and it's more work and time(and money!!! , those AD2000 earpads are relatively expensive, and hard to get if you not live in USA) for the person that is doing the work.

Would also like to trown AD1000X and AD1000PRM and It would be the most elaborate comparison of the AD line of all times.

Sadly AD1000PRM is expensive to get... I had an eye in one but it would be like 650+usd and at least driver quality might not be as good as ad2000/ad2000x, very close but more like a collectors item.
 
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I Would love to invite lots of people to hear the 3 pairs to then decide by yourselves , I already have my preferences and I think you don't really need to bother for AD2000 if you have AD1000X or ad2000x, AD2000X surpass ad2000 in different things like timbre, realism, detail, soundstage, imaging, I even think some japanese female vocals sound notably better on the clearer more crispier vocals of 2000x compared to the warmer AD2000 vocals, There is no better headphone for ALL vocals, I have all of those AT, and I can tell you sometimes A1000Z and A2000Z sound better than AD2000X/2000 in some vocals .

Treble Clarity of 2000X in my opinion is significantly better than AD2000, it sounds more "resolved" just as someone said, And nope, unless You have really fu cked earpads with ad2000x, I don't think AD2000 is faster, there is even a guy in this thread that posted that 2000x sounded faster, I would not exactly say that, I think A1000Z, 2000Z, AD2000X and AD2000 are all fast headphones, I don't really see an adventage for AD2000 there.

AD2000 clamp force is higher(I would say less comfortable) and I also prefer the build quality and finish of 2000x, But that's a minor thing, AD2000 may seem fragile in comparison specially in the wing system section, but I think it's generally very well build.

I'm somewhat dissapointed of the people that overhyped original AD2000 saying that it was the best headphone for ALL female vocals, and saying it was notably better than ad1000x or ad2000x, w t f lol.

Oh, I'm not even detailing a lot of what I did, but basically this came after trying 2000x pads on AD2000, AD2000 pads on AD2000X and so.

I really spent a lot of time doing this, and I have read basically all opinions of AD2000X here and other forums, when I say all I say All of them, Lol.

It's really a shame seing people that don't ever have tried AD2000X and say AD2000 is a better headphone , just like a domino effect because a guy said it , I saw "some" member that spammed in like 7 Different audio forums/sites that AD2000 was "superior", lol, And I Have seen some members that don't have AD2000X and also trash it because 2000 is "superior".

At the same time I saw a guy who let try different people his AD2000X and AD2000 and all of them found AD2000X better, only him was the one that found 2000 "better", lots of cases.

AD2000 Has troubles, it lacks coherency in the sound, does not win in any technical aspect over AD2000X, it's technically "better" than ad900x(but not in soundstage size) , but it has more faults than ad2000x , I even have problems with 2000 vocals because they sound less natural whatever mod I do to them, some say they sound wonky.

I also have to say, since I have been modding AT headphones for a While, I know the wing system pressure of ad2000 adds some intimacy in the mids , but trust me, AD2000X is already very intimate there, while they still are different , 2000x "could be" the most similar headphone to the ad2000 in a lot of things =)
 

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