AUDIO over IP - REDNET 3 & 16 Review. AES67 Sets A New Standard for Computer Audio

Oct 18, 2016 at 10:58 AM Post #2,221 of 3,694
   

In praise of foobar2000
 
I love foobar aka foobar2000 aka fb2k.
I love it for its simplicity.
All I want to do is play music I already own, and listen to that music undistracted.
The Filter tool is awesome for playing what I want and creating playlists for the occasion
... in a heartbeat - since I have my Library all tagged up the way I want it.
I disable Album Art even in fb2k.
I mean - what's the point?
A vinyl record (with its correct inner sleeve) is one thing.
Playing it on a turntable is ritualistic like smoking a cigarette.
(Which I gave up 12 years ago I hasten to add.)
With a cigarette you know you've got a lit one somewhere till you put it out.
(Unless you want to barbecue yourself and your family.)
Same thing with a record.
It spins till you turn it off.
And then if you care at all for it you must put the record away in its correct sleeve.
So Album Art means something if we are talking about LPs.
I would recognise any of my Album covers if I saw the same one somewhere else in the world.
I have a brain component that lets me do that - like everyone can recognise familiar faces.
(The loss of the capacity to recognise faces is "prosopagnosia". I would hate to have "lp-art-agnosia".)
But after 1980 and the advent of digits and CDs, the meaning of Album Art was lost to its rightful place in history - 1955-ish to 1980-ish.
So given that in fb2k I am listening to digits, what is the point of Album Art.
Anyway - it only gives the computer something else to do  - a load which every audiophile knows is a menace.
And another "anyway" - what is the meaningful Album Art for a live and obscure classical performance - say.
I already know most of what I want to know about Artists and Music History - but I think about these things often and look them up all the time.
Doing so can create the desire to listen to something in particular.
So I take my brain with me to the Hi-Fi.
When I met my wife her bank account was riddled with Direct Debits and Standing Orders
because she loved salesmen coming to the door.
fb2k costs nothing.
And lets you think for yourself.
Now she is much happier.
And has more money for her other love (other than me that is) - the garden.
 

Three Cheers for Foobar!
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I use an interesting system to tag music - the Windows file directory and name.  I have a directory for each type of music  - then sub for artist - then sub for album.  Each WAV file name has the Artist - Album - Track number - Songname - track time.  This is all automatically loaded by EAC (Exact Audio Copy) when a CD is burnt.  There is an feature in EAC that does this from an online database.  Other then the sub dir name - I never have to type a key.  This 'tagging' system is impervious to corruption - unlike the ID meta tagging system (oh I have horror stories from my early years).  Album art is loaded to the album sub dir, and named 'cover' - Foobar will automatically load it.
 
Now to transfer my collection to these 256GB USB sticks -  simply copy and paste the entire genre directory - and wait a few hours as thousands of albums transfer.  All with perfect structure and tagging.  Easy peasy.
 
Oct 18, 2016 at 12:55 PM Post #2,224 of 3,694
Thank you for your review. One aspect that caught my attention is that you only changed from usb stack to Rednet (versus changing several components at once) and that you are going direct from mac mini to rednet which is a greatly simplified system. The point is that in your instance we're not considering a host of variables which may have contributed to the improvement in sound quality; it must be the Rednet. 

I have a mac mini running Audirvana and perhaps this Aoip route is a worthy next step as soon as I figure out which gear I should choose. Like others here, 
I'm sort of waiting to see what "consumer" or prosumer AOIP devices emerge. I'm intrigued by the Arrakis simple AoIP--rb2013 mentioned this unit--because it has a DC input and the option for an AES ouput (AES or ethernet option). Ideally, I wish it had BOTH AES out and ethernet out as that would be more future proof. 

I'm also pondering what "loss" might exist for me given that I'm running a Comet Exogal and the Exogal's usb input slightly exceeds the capabilities of the AES input. And, the Comet regenerates the entire signal avoiding a lot of usb Gremlins. It's quite a sophisticaed FPGA process (well above my neophyte knowledge). 





Thank you for the post. 

PS I have no affiliation with Comet. I do love the dac, and the customer service has been excellent. 


I would say go for the Rednet 3 unit. It killed my USB. The treble is so clean and lifelike so undigital. It say to me loud n clear that audio over USB is compromised.
 
Oct 18, 2016 at 1:33 PM Post #2,225 of 3,694
    Each WAV file name has the Artist - Album - Track number - Songname - track time.  

I am the same with all my file types (FLAC, DSF, etc) except I add year and disc #.  So my format file name:
 
Artist - Album (year) - disc #_track #_Title.
 
Album cover is saved in each album folder.
 
Album directory structure is year - Album
 
I am so OCD especially about the music library. I have literally spent years of my life making sure every track has the correct info and cover art.  Its very very satisfying for me to be able to browse my 40K song library and see everything is organized as it should be.  I've got issues!!!!
 
Oct 18, 2016 at 3:21 PM Post #2,226 of 3,694
  I am the same with all my file types (FLAC, DSF, etc) except I add year and disc #.  So my format file name:
 
Artist - Album (year) - disc #_track #_Title.
 
Album cover is saved in each album folder.
 
Album directory structure is year - Album
 
I am so OCD especially about the music library. I have literally spent years of my life making sure every track has the correct info and cover art.  Its very very satisfying for me to be able to browse my 40K song library and see everything is organized as it should be.  I've got issues!!!!


Need to see someone about that - kidding.  I'm not quite as concerned.  I just want to find the music I want to listen to with the least hassles.  No scrolling through endless pages of album covers.
 
For me one of the best things I love about computer audio - is just that - the organization and location of music is inherent in the storage.  All my CD's and most of my LPs are in storage.  But I visited a friend who displays his  - endless racks of plastic (CD's) and carboard (LPs).  I guess for some folks.  Reminds me of one of my favorite John Cusak movies:


Re-organizing his LP's - Autobiographically!
 
Oct 18, 2016 at 3:25 PM Post #2,227 of 3,694
Okay....
 
 
Okay... 
 
 
ummm...
 

 
 
Rednet now hooked up via AES, able to play 192 k files, Pavane is SICK, no more gitter or clicks!!!! 
 
I am upset at the same time. I was selling my Rednet to fund another amp.... NOPE!!!!!!
 
Oct 18, 2016 at 4:02 PM Post #2,229 of 3,694
  Okay....
 
 
Okay... 
 
 
ummm...
 

 
 
Rednet now hooked up via AES, able to play 192 k files, Pavane is SICK, no more gitter or clicks!!!! 
 
I am upset at the same time. I was selling my Rednet to fund another amp.... NOPE!!!!!!

Forgive me for being thick....but does this mean you are very very satisfied with the Rednet????  :)  
 
Can someone please hurry up and develop a more consumer friendly version of AOIP please??  I need to try this out ASAP!
 
Oct 18, 2016 at 4:17 PM Post #2,230 of 3,694
 
  Okay....
 
 
Okay... 
 
 
ummm...
 

 
 
Rednet now hooked up via AES, able to play 192 k files, Pavane is SICK, no more gitter or clicks!!!! 
 
I am upset at the same time. I was selling my Rednet to fund another amp.... NOPE!!!!!!

Forgive me for being thick....but does this mean you are very very satisfied with the Rednet????

Yes
 
pic above means my mind is blown
upset because since I wont sell the Rednet now I cant afford the amp I wanted
Never have I heard music this pure before.
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Pavane via USB still clear and detailed RedNET 3 into AES of the Pavane      
 
 
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Oct 18, 2016 at 4:30 PM Post #2,231 of 3,694
That was what I was afraid of!  I need to start saving my pennies so I can try this AOIP thing out.  
 
Oct 18, 2016 at 4:36 PM Post #2,232 of 3,694
  pic = mind blown
upset because since I wont sell the Rednet now I cant afford the amp I wanted
Never have I heard music this pure before.
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Pavane via USB still clear and detailed RedNET 3 into AES of the Pavane      
 
 
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Glad that you decided to keep the RN3 and tried all the connections.
 
The DB-25 to AES breakout cable from the RN3 feeding into a DAC (given that it has the AES Digital input) is the best way to get the most out of that combo.
Now if you can diy a DB-25 to AES silver wire cable like JJ and I did, you can get an even cleaner oil painting.
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