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Originally Posted by tjkurita
Is it me, or is QUQ taking a disproportionate amount of criticism here? It's hard to ignore the DUI, but a couple of weeks delay walks the fine line of fraud. Has anyone actually had their money stolen? Or is this only a case of some late shipments?
If the buyer simply backed out and ate the loss because of QUQ's negligence would QUQ not shipped at all and pocket the money? If he would willingly take someone's money and never ship the amp, that's one thing. But if his laziness is being compounded by his legal troubles and causing a significant, but eventually resolved delay that seems to be a different thing. People should be warned about doing business with him, but accusing him of fraud seems a little strong.
I'm not defending QUQ at all and to be honest I would never do any business with him, but he hasn't done anything illegal just yet, right? (aside from the DUI). Also, it seems like Gloomfire's paypal claim was a little hasty. If he hadn't filed that claim he'd probably have his money back already.
Perhaps I don't have all the information.
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I think the best answer is yes and no. I mean, obviously the only people with a semblence of the whole picture are the OP and QUQ. However I do agree that perhaps, QUQ is taking a bit too much heat, to a certain extent. That being said, from what has been described in a thread, the OP sent a payment on the 13th and presumably the seller agreed to ship it out. Now that hasn't been done. What we also know is that QUQ has had a DUI and certain things have come as a result of that (in the very least some type of suspension of his driver's license, assuming he had one originally).
Now reading this thread, one of the problems that I have (and presumably others) is that he seems to say he has no way to ship it out (can't get to the PO I guess), however UPS, Fed Ex, and USPS all do offer pickup. That is to say, QUQ's reasoning for not shipping is weak at best. What he can do is simply print out a shipping label and arrange a pickup from his place of residence. That to me is a quick easy solution.
However looking at it from a more detaching and less emotional POV, do I think it's a bit early to call the lynch mob? Of course. It has only been 13 days or so since payment was sent. In my mind if it was say 2 months, it would be more a reasonable reaction.
Of course as a buyer, I think one of the expectations is prompt shipping following payment. And if you can't meet that you outline that beforehand or ASAP. Atleast it seems to be the case or custom on this forum and others. In the case of QUQ he obviously has not done that, even though he presumably has the means to do so. And when faced with the request for a refund he has not accomodated that request either. The communication for this transaction also seems fairly subpar.
From my standpoint that's where the problem comes from. The seeming run around that QUQ is putting the OP through. However I do think that some are being a little too trigger happy.
Now I do not know the consquences of a Paypal dispute (like if you have one filed against you, they freeze your account), nor do i know the legal definitions/conditions for fraud, scamming and the like. However I feel that QUQ has acted fairly inappropraitely given the events. Shipping stuff out or refunding paypal payments shouldn't be that difficult.