[greenhorn]

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Originally Posted by John Reeves Maybe you'd like to live in a communist country were you are even told what to think.

Don't get offensive, John... stay cool.

Not that I am a EU fan, but I don't remember it being led by a communist-oriented Commission => its regulations are not of communist inspiration.

 

[Dweebgal]

i don't get why people are getting thier panties in a bunch so much, not all stuff is volume limited.

and if you really want something that is limited....IMPORT

 

[John Reeves]

Hi Greenhorn,

My appologies, I just sorta got carried away.

John

 

[thewaka]

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Originally Posted by greenhorn The answer is in the question! Think about: - the laws which impose using the safety belts, or helmets on scooters or motorcycles; - the plastic protections which prevent children to put nails into the electrical wall outlets; - etc. etc.

I meant very specifically by law-making bodies. Children should be protected by their parents. In the US, AFAIK, there is no law that says I have to cover unused wall outlets.

But we are discussing portable music sources. At least I thought so. If I don't care about my hearing, why should the government? It doesn't belong to them, they should have no say over it. If enough people in the EU feel strongly about it, perhaps they can petition whatever the governing body is to get that regulation changed. It just hurts the economy as those who know about it are going to try to get imports that aren't crippled instead and as pointed out by John Reeves, portable players aren't the only way to damage your hearing (my husband was a car mechanic; hearing loss was pretty much part of the job). It is a stupid, intrusive regulation.

Diana

PS--Just b/c they don't say they are communists, doesn't mean their political leanings aren't going that way.

 

[greenhorn]

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Originally Posted by John Reeves Hi Greenhorn, My appologies, I just sorta got carried away. John

No problemo

Hey, I realise that it's not only in the UK that one can buy non-volume-limited portable stuff (within the EU).

I bought one year ago a MD player from Germany and I am too lazy now to look for its documentation, but it has a 30 steps volume control and I assure you that at 20 - 22 it begins to hurt (both with Shure E5 and with Koss KSC-35).

So I am pretty sure its output is not limited!

 

[greenhorn]

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Originally Posted by thewaka ... whatever the governing body is ... Just b/c they don't say they are communists, doesn't mean their political leanings aren't going that way.

The "governing body" you are referring to is called the European Commission and its members (Commissioners) represent all EU member countries. So you think Europe as a whole leans towards communism. Very interesting, please elaborate

 

[Idiot MD]

Due to years of government institutionalization, many Americans have difficulty discriminating between Communism and Socialism. Heck, most Americans don't realize how many social programs we have going in America. Americans, being a generally freedom-loving/demanding people, often regard any policy that limits their freedom as a communist policy no matter how useful it is. Often those policies are created to off-set government spending in a different sector. I'm wondering if some interest group in the EU's medical profession might not be linked to the creation of this policy. . . Different people, different countries, different governments, different thinking.

Back on topic: Hey Anthrax, just think of this as a good reason to pick up a nice headphone amp.

Welcome to Head-Fi, and sorry about your wallet.

 

[Hell_Gopher]

Heh, the EU commission Communist? It's an unaccountable bureauocracy all right - of the kind found increasingly everywhere - but nearly all western European governments are heading for the right, and the new member states are vehemently anti-commie given their recent past, among other things.

I agree the restriction is a bad idea. With most firmware players it's possible to get past it by overwriting with a US firmware. Otherwise, a portable amp is the solution esp. for harder to drive phones. I've used a volume-restricted player wit h efficient phones however, and found it to be quite loud enough. Of course it depends on the recording, your phones, how many decades you've been listening to hard rock for

, etc...

 

[Patchmaster]

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Not necessarily, and I for one think the volume limitation is a total waste of time.

If it was a VOLUME limitation, it might actually make some sense. The problem is that the player has no idea what SPL is entering your ear canal, so all it can do is limit the signal. Another example of lawmakers poking their nose (or, perhaps, ears, in this case) into things they don't understand.

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Think about: - the laws which impose using the safety belts, or helmets on scooters or motorcycles; - the plastic protections which prevent children to put nails into the electrical wall outlets; - etc. etc.

Citing further examples of people being protected from themselves is hardly an argument for the basic concept of protecting people against themselves. People engage in countless activities that put themselves at some kind of risk. If government tries to protect us from them all, life will hardly be worth living.

A recent study has shown that use of cell phones -- handsfree or not -- while driving is a great distraction from the more important task at hand. The problem is that being involved in a conversation distracts one from attention to driving. So it probably won't be long before all cell phone use while driving will be banned. But since the real problem is the conversation, how much longer will it be until ALL conversation in a moving vehicle will be banned?

If it seems reasonable to limit the volume of earbuds on portable audio equipment, why is it not similarly reasonable to limit the volume of home audio equipment? I can just as easily damage my hearing with 100dB sound from my home stereo as I can from my earbuds.

This protecting people from themselves is a slippery slope.

 

[lini]

Anthrax: You should have gone for Grundig, instead

- all their regular (= non-mp3) pcdps up to the Planixx CDP 3000 slim have 2x 15 mW (just like my now replaced Squixx CDP4100/4101 AS10 (and the 4102 AS40, which I don't have) - unfortunately, the new CDP 14xx series doesn't seem to feature a line-out anymore, but the Planixx still does...).

Greetings from Hannover!

Manfred / lini

P.S.: So much for communist neo-liberal Germany...

 

[Anthrax]

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Originally Posted by lini Anthrax: You should have gone for Grundig, instead - all their regular (= non-mp3) pcdps up to the Planixx CDP 3000 slim have 2x 15 mW (just like my now replaced Squixx CDP4100/4101 AS10 (and the 4102 AS40, which I don't have) - unfortunately, the new CDP 14xx series doesn't seem to feature a line-out anymore, but the Planixx still does...). Greetings from Hannover! Manfred / lini P.S.: So much for communist neo-liberal Germany...

i would have if i had known that the european sony discmans had this limit. i'm from australia, were we dont have this lmit, and my brother had a sony which was plently loud, so i got the sony unaware of this limit.

i have found someone who will by it off me

so now i can go out, and get a non european discman, has any one had an experiences with a Sony NE10 ?

 

[nick danger]

Just to hear some stuff on a loud "puddle-jumper" I purchased some "koss-buds". My ears have not been the same since and I was using a good portable. The ability to abuse your ears at a moments notice like mine is foolish, and I regret it, my tinnitus will never go away. Is 1.5mw output the answer. It's a start.

 

[thewaka]

Just to be clear, I didn't say anyone was a communist.

Nick Danger, if you need your equipment to be manufactured with limitations so you don't hurt yourself, that's fine. I don't. I suspect most people don't. I believe manufacturers should be able to make their equipment however they want. We then are free to choose to buy it or not. Let government step in if harm, force or fraud has been used against us by others, not before. Preventing us from damaging ourselves is not protecting us from harm but treating us like imbeciles. If we are, then "Bubba! Watch this!" (a redneck joke).

Diana

 

[Kurt]

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Originally Posted by lini P.S.: So much for communist neo-liberal Germany...

In Switzerland we have conservative dominant government since 150 years and look what we have: Way higher prices.

 

[Skeeve]

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Originally Posted by Dweebgal i don't get why people are getting thier panties in a bunch so much, not all stuff is volume limited. and if you really want something that is limited....IMPORT

Or buy it and then flash it with non-eu firmware in the case of some stuff e.g. creative's muvo^2