Dec 7, 2024 at 8:29 AM Post #2,911 of 3,524
I can only search the same as yourself so your going to have to read the thread like others do to learn about past topics.
I don't participate much these days, but I still drop in for a quick check once in a while to see what's the latest in AptX audio. Which is how I found out about BT-W6 few weeks/months ago, it has now replaced an old T10p on my Nvidia Shield. I am already looking for a second W6 to replace another T10p on my PC.

Much of the technical details discussed here goes over my head, but if something's important enough - I will google about it or just order it.

So, speaking for myself, I do appreciate your constant participation here to keep this thread going. Thanks!
 
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Dec 7, 2024 at 12:05 PM Post #2,912 of 3,524
My Reviews of Audeze Maxwell and Artic Nova Pro 2024 wireless headphones (not a gamer):

Audeze Maxwell:
Pros:
-Amazing sound detail, layering and resolution overall with good treble and bass.
-Durable and solid design
-2.4ghz Dongle had excellent latency and connectivity which was good for movie/video watching and music playback
-Excellent battery life
-Ok connectivity
-Comfort was good, my ears had a good amount of space to breath but the top of my ears did touch the inner top of the pads otherwise pads were comfy against ears/skin.
-BT performance was very good, tested it with LG C2 OLED, Nvidia shield pro, desktop PC with windows 11, Android 14 phone, mini pc, did not notice any
of the usual BT issues, audio was stable and clear.
-Firmware updates to the headphones was good and supported.

Cons
-Weight, its a bit on the heavy side but you can get use to it
-Ear cups was too big, they stick outwards so its like 2 speakers against your ears these are tanks. Really only good for desk/home use. Forget about in bed use.
-Headband felt a bit uncomfortable on top, also if I move my head left to right they would wobble a lot but not fall off.
-LE audio with LC3 Codec still not available and probably will never get it
-Connectivity issues, since it relied on an single 2.4ghz or BT to connect, so if you have 3-4 devices your in trouble and have to disconnect and reconnect that 2.4ghz Dongle.
It also only supports 1 single 2.4ghz Dongle, you can't use a 2nd one.


The audeze Maxwells are tanks, durable and with big high resolution detailed sound but ultimately I found the lack off connectivity an issue. I do wish manufacturers understood no one has just 1-2 devices in their home more like 10. Its unacceptable to just be limited to one 2.4ghz dongle use, you would need several to cover all devices around the home. They were just too big and bulky, forget about portability and wearing them in bed trying to watch telly also. Much better suited for pure gamers sitting in an chair.





Artic Nova Wireless 2024
Pros
-Good sound quality overall, decent enough resolution and detail was heard and the bass was good. Overall a good improvement over the older Pro wireless
-Appeared Durable enough but at the same time was not premium and more plasticy.
-Ok Connectivity, it has a break out box with dual usb inputs (PC or PS has Xbox version) but xbox input limited to 16bit not 24bit and 3.5mm inputs. Fixed the hiss
-Latency was good, I would say similar to the Artic pro wireless headphones.
-BT performance was good and stable, but with the break out box you get 2.4ghz connectivity so a much better and stable connection for games/movies with better latency
-Ear pads and comfort was good, the pads were very soft against the ears and skin, felt pleather but higher quality at least.
-Less ANC bump on the inner drivers, your ears no longer touch the ANC mic bump.
-Firmware updates to the headphones was good and supported.

Cons
-Sound has much less soundstage then the Artic pros, I prefered the more detail and closed in sound from the Novas over my Pro wireless though.
-Worse connectivity then the older Pro wireless break out box, lost the optical inputs so its much more harder to connect to say your TV to make life 10x easier. Also it lost the separate power input, so if you power down a console or device you lose power to the break out box ie no sound!
-Ear pads were very small, my ears rubbed around the edges of the pads and were very close to the driver unit but they did not touch the driver maybe 2-3mm away.


The Artic nova 2024 headphones were good but at the same time 1 step forward and maybe 2 steps backwards, they improved the sound quality well enough so well that I felt like my Artic pro wireless could be sold off (almost) but they then make the connectivity with devices even worse. Its the same issue as mentioned with the maxwells, 2 devices inputs is just not cutting it this aint 1993. And a 3.5mm connection is from decades ago also and contain a hiss.
 
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Dec 7, 2024 at 5:45 PM Post #2,913 of 3,524
LC3plus HR
How does GMAP fit into LC3/+
Is it a frame/packet reprioritization for a single audio sink? Only for lc3 or also lc3+?

I haven't used a lc3+ product yet and returned my lc3 products before having floogoo/w6 dongles to experiment with gmap toggle, only reading specs.

Do you have any info in aptx-lite you can share? e.g. is it always available within r3 and above, can it be seperatly disabled within the adaptive suite, etc

Thanks for your time
p.s. is your name username binary? just curious cuz the O throws me off.
 
Dec 7, 2024 at 6:22 PM Post #2,914 of 3,524
How does GMAP fit into LC3/+
Is it a frame/packet reprioritization for a single audio sink? Only for lc3 or also lc3+?
Not sure, I haven't looked into the spec. What I can say is that LC3plus can be used everywhere instead of the LC3 as the formats are largely compatible (with the exception of HR mode which is not, so it'll require special handling by the devices).
Do you have any info in aptx-lite you can share? e.g. is it always available within r3 and above
No. It's not available on Android at all, only in QCCxx8x dongles.
can it be seperatly disabled within the adaptive suite, etc
That's up to the dongle manufacturers, so most likely not.

Edit:
There's no hidden meaning in my nickname, it's just a random combination of letter and numbers that was free.
 
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Dec 7, 2024 at 6:25 PM Post #2,915 of 3,524
Things may go north very quickly when you switch over latency-demanding content (video, gaming). So to spoil your enthusiasm ;), how's your new dongle performs in that area?

Enthusiasm not spoiled 😁
I only use this dongle for music listening in this setup: Galaxy S10e > Ugreen > B&W Px8
I only game on PC > wired Senn HD598
But I have tested YouTube and there is perfect lip-sync. I switched to every supported codec (aptX LL included), no issues.

Never used the Ugreen BT501 so have no idea regarding its features or if its any good but the general feeling around here is the
Creative BT dongles have:

-An actual Windows App/Software, so you can have better control of its features, functions, codecs, you can see what is going on
-Firmware upgrades which fix/adds and improve bugs on both the BT dongle and devices used like compatibility issues.
-Excellent Support which is key in any product, if you email them they listen and support their products unlike most of the other manufacturers
-BT-W6 supports all the latest and best BT standards and codecs ie BT 5.4, Snapdragon Suite and LE audios LC3 and LC3plus standards
-Creative BT dongles also tend to be reliable and stable (but its trial and error and down to devices sometimes)
-A button on the more recent dongles allowing you to switch easily to Low latency and then back to high quality mode so Music(high) & Games/Movies (low)
-Remembers and stores your last used Codec choice and setting < Very important so for example you use PC and set it to aptx adaptive, it stores this info even if you
remove the dongle and use it on your mobile phone. It also then stores your last used codec on the mobile phone, I think its 5 or 7 profiles something like that.


There are probably more important features and stuff, but I haven't used BT properly for over like 18 months and this is off the top off my head so might be off on stuff, you can also click on my link and see my BT guide, I have added a most asked questions section at bottom of it.

Thank you for the extensive reply, I appreciate it.

I agree, Creative dongles are better on some aspects you mentioned.

For my use case - Android phone only, music only, the PC app is less relevant. I also have the button to switch between low latency and hq if needed. The Ugreen defaults to aptX Adaptive when re-connected which is the maximum my headphones support.

I was curious if there can be any sound quality differences between the two when using the same codec - aptX Adaptive - and if there is a way to monitor the streaming bitrates, maybe on PC?
 
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Dec 7, 2024 at 6:51 PM Post #2,916 of 3,524
My Reviews of Audeze Maxwell and Artic Nova Pro 2024 wireless headphones (not a gamer):

Audeze Maxwell:
Pros:
-Amazing sound detail, layering and resolution overall with good treble and bass.
-Durable and solid design
-2.4ghz Dongle had excellent latency and connectivity which was good for movie/video watching and music playback
-Excellent battery life
-Ok connectivity
-Comfort was good, my ears had a good amount of space to breath but the top of my ears did touch the inner top of the pads otherwise pads were comfy against ears/skin.
-BT performance was very good, tested it with LG C2 OLED, Nvidia shield pro, desktop PC with windows 11, Android 14 phone, mini pc, did not notice any
of the usual BT issues, audio was stable and clear.


Cons
-Weight, its a bit on the heavy side but you can get use to it
-Ear cups was too big, they stick outwards so its like 2 speakers against your ears these are tanks. Really only good for desk/home use. Forget about in bed use.
-Headband felt a bit uncomfortable on top, also if I move my head left to right they would wobble a lot but not fall off.
-LE audio with LC3 Codec still not available and probably will never get it
-Connectivity issues, since it relied on an single 2.4ghz or BT to connect, so if you have 3-4 devices your in trouble and have to disconnect and reconnect that 2.4ghz Dongle.
It also only supports 1 single 2.4ghz Dongle, you can't use a 2nd one.


The audeze Maxwells are tanks, durable and with big high resolution detailed sound but ultimately I found the lack off connectivity an issue. I do wish manufacturers understood no one has just 1-2 devices in their home more like 10. Its unacceptable to just be limited to one 2.4ghz dongle use, you would need several to cover all devices around the home. They were just too big and bulky, forget about portability and wearing them in bed trying to watch telly also. Much better suited for pure gamers sitting in an chair.





Artic Nova Wireless 2024
Pros
-Good sound quality overall, decent enough resolution and detail was heard and the bass was good. Overall a good improvement over the older Pro wireless
-Appeared Durable enough but at the same time was not premium and more plasticy.
-Ok Connectivity, it has a break out box with dual usb inputs (PC or PS has Xbox version) but xbox input limited to 16bit not 24bit and 3.5mm inputs. Fixed the hiss
-Latency was good, I would say similar to the Artic pro wireless headphones.
-BT performance was good and stable, but with the break out box you get 2.4ghz connectivity so a much better and stable connection for games/movies with better latency
-Ear pads and comfort was good, the pads were very soft against the ears and skin, felt pleather but higher quality at least.
-Less ANC bump on the inner drivers, your ears no longer touch the ANC mic bump.


Cons
-Sound has much less soundstage then the Artic pros, I prefered the more detail and closed in sound from the Novas over my Pro wireless though.
-Worse connectivity then the older Pro wireless break out box, lost the optical inputs so its much more harder to connect to say your TV to make life 10x easier. Also it lost the separate power input, so if you power down a console or device you lose power to the break out box ie no sound!
-Ear pads were very small, my ears rubbed around the edges of the pads and were very close to the driver unit but they did not touch the driver maybe 2-3mm away.


The Artic nova 2024 headphones were good but at the same time 1 step forward and maybe 2 steps backwards, they improved the sound quality well enough so well that I felt like my Artic pro wireless could be sold off (almost) but they then make the connectivity with devices even worse. Its the same issue as mentioned with the maxwells, 2 devices inputs is just not cutting it this aint 1993. And a 3.5mm connection is from decades ago also and contain a hiss.
Good, detailed reviews!

Maxwell is an issue with weight, and I read about them having QA issues.
Arctic Nova, small earpads could be an issue for me.

I have been searching for wireless headsets for use with my pc, but I haven't seen anything that has truly piqued my interest the last couple weeks.
 
Dec 7, 2024 at 11:58 PM Post #2,917 of 3,524
Today I used the DDHiFi USB A to C adapter for the BT-W6 to my PX8s listening to F1 Qualifying while watching, No lag. Nice audio spectrum step-up from my Chromecast 4K steamer and my (2022) Sony XR-42A90K {Google TV) legacy BT sources. Showed the purple colour!

Yes, had the 2 sec. delay before it kicked in (no big deal).
 
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Dec 8, 2024 at 4:39 AM Post #2,921 of 3,524
I would say mainly users here who buy dongles is because their phones might not have certain Bluetooth codecs
What about buying a refurb zenfone 9 as an alternative though? That's what I'm considering. I use an iphone 15 as my main phone, so the BT11 would be preferable, not if it's super-buggy. I'm going to try the BT-W6 too but I'm worried that it's not going to work while commuting because it sticks out too far. Or are these codecs too unstable to work in a commuting setting anyway?
 
Dec 8, 2024 at 5:03 AM Post #2,922 of 3,524
What about buying a refurb zenfone 9 as an alternative though? That's what I'm considering. I use an iphone 15 as my main phone, so the BT11 would be preferable, not if it's super-buggy. I'm going to try the BT-W6 too but I'm worried that it's not going to work while commuting because it sticks out too far. Or are these codecs too unstable to work in a commuting setting anyway?
I think that depends on particular device combo, but I'll share my experience.
I have SonyXperia 1 VI based on Snapdragon 8 Gen 3, so it support latest and greatest of aptX family (except XPAN). I use Momentum 4 (aptX Adaptive) for commutes and Melomania M100 (aptX Lossless/Adaptive) for walks. In both cases these devices are more stable on aptX than on regular SBC.
I must admit that wasn't so rainbows and unicorns some time ago, but with recent firmware updates things must've been settled down.
In short, platform (codecs) is important, but only when supported by good implementation (both hardware and software/firmware). Which is actually not a surprise since you mentioned BT11 :)
 
Dec 8, 2024 at 5:35 AM Post #2,923 of 3,524
Is the Fiio BT11 discontinued in Japan? It seems difficult to find.
 
Dec 8, 2024 at 9:53 AM Post #2,924 of 3,524
Selling all my 4 Bluetooth dongle adapters in 1 bundle.


Includes:

1. Creative BT-W5 Bluetooth. Purchased for £49 new.

2. Bluetooth Dongle with Optical/3.5mm/Coax connections. AptX/AptxLL/AptX HD/AptX Adaptive. See photo with codecs shown.

3. Bluetooth USB-A dongle. AptxLL/AptX HD/AptX Adaptive. See photo with codecs shown.

4. Bluetooth USB-A dongle with Bluetooth antenna for better connectivity. AptxLL/AptX HD/AptX Adaptive. See photo with codecs shown.


I purchased all dongles new and total cost for me was approximately £119.


I do not have all the original packaging any more. Please note that included is the latest Creative BT-W5 which is £49 by itself.

Will ship to UK only.

https://www.head-fi.org/classifieds...ongle-optical-3-5mm-coax-2-usb-dongles.79431/
 
Dec 8, 2024 at 10:03 AM Post #2,925 of 3,524
Enthusiasm not spoiled 😁
I only use this dongle for music listening in this setup: Galaxy S10e > Ugreen > B&W Px8
I only game on PC > wired Senn HD598
But I have tested YouTube and there is perfect lip-sync. I switched to every supported codec (aptX LL included), no issues.



Thank you for the extensive reply, I appreciate it.

I agree, Creative dongles are better on some aspects you mentioned.

For my use case - Android phone only, music only, the PC app is less relevant. I also have the button to switch between low latency and hq if needed. The Ugreen defaults to aptX Adaptive when re-connected which is the maximum my headphones support.

I was curious if there can be any sound quality differences between the two when using the same codec - aptX Adaptive - and if there is a way to monitor the streaming bitrates, maybe on PC?

There are sound quality differences between different BT dongles, many have suggested other BT brands and models had higher volume or better sound quality
(ie more warmer or better detail resolution or bigger soundstage or some worse sound).

But its nothing 100% concrete, it's different for every BT dongle and device you test it with so really the only sure way is to buy it and test it out.

So you maybe perfectly happy and fine to use your Ugreen BT dongle, but one of the areas so many manufacturers get it wrong is the actual support. Without firmware or App/software updates the dongle could be a lemon. There are 100s of bugs, issues and compatibility issues between BT and the devices so its imo more important to get one better supported.

Same applies with headphones and your devices, if the supports lacking it can be an serious issue.
 

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