Announcing the Launch of the SUSVARA

[protoss]

Nailed it!

The other illusion that most of us get sold into is if it's more expensive, it must be better! IMO, while the TOTL headphones keep reaching new heights - in regards to pricing, I hope some company comes along and delivers a headphone that trumps them all sonically and is priced around the HD800s. Why? It would be a fantastic way to capture the market.

I agree with this line of reasoning. I am perfectly happy w/ my "mid-fi" headphone line-up (see signature line). Will be hard-pressed to go even to the $4K level let alone higher. Too many diminishing returns. Although, I have heard great things about the LCD-4.
I think the Ether Flow are a great example of a new HP introduced at the right price point.

FWIW, YMMV, IMHO.
Cheers,
RCB

You really think ether flow is price right? Not me. Over price for a so so HP

Now the HD600 and HD650 is price beautifully. Even thou those headphones are 20 years old.

I remember listening to both HD600 and HD650 with a 3rd party cable and an unidentified amp/dac that sounded better than a Staxs! Everything included less than $1500

 

[protoss]

I just want to thank all the good and sane people who commented on this thread. This insanity of price gouging in the Audiophile world has been going on for far too long and yet people and reviewers keep promoting this absurdity without hesitation. What and when is the limit. I guess with Focal Utopia north of $4000 (which is ridiculous and stupid), Hifiman feels emboldened to add their presence to this delusion of grandiosity. But no, these companies won't stop until people start to vote with their wallet by refusing to buy the new and latest monstrosity.

Do we even enjoy music anymore? Or all we do is analyze headphones and amps and dacs? I have two headphones and one of them almost gets no use. It's often confused me how people with 4 TOTL headphones manages to have use for all of them.

Let's continue to give our hard-earned top dollars to these barons and the reviewers who pushes these products so aggressively, soon entry level audiophile HP will start at $1500. Ridiculous!!!

Couldnt agree more, it needs nipping in the bud asap!

remember back when SE846 launched, people gasped, fainted, slapped themselfs, shout insanity at its $1000 price tag. Jump years ahead and now this is fine, completely normal price for iems but the shock is with $3000+ now instead.

You said it best!

"Do we even listen to music anymore". The answer is NO! I bet 90% of people here or there just buys these toys to pat them and admire them than actually spend 1-5 hours a day listening to classic hits.

It is getting absurd and entertaining.

 

[Deftone]

HD800 used to be the summit of hifi headphones, now its midfi aha.

 

[protoss]

I went to some guy house and he had 2 TOTL HP sitting as ornaments!! My god man. That's where this hobby is going or it's actually is here already.

I was like yo can I listen to those. And he said no. Hahhahahahaa. Lame

 

[Contrails]

Now the HD600 and HD650 is price beautifully

Yeah but the Hd600/HD650 don't even sound as good as $600-800 headphones... I mean tomorrow if Beats were priced at $2100, they would definitely be better sounding than the Hd800.

 

[YesThisIs]

- Horrible customer support
- Horrible quality control
- 3000$ 6 month beta-tester program
-Literally "paying" for customers to give good feedback on their products on Amazon

Yeah, totally worth it to give this company 6k$. After that wait for 8 months and V2 has arrived.

 

[FastAndClean]

After that wait for 8 months and V2 has arrived.

but the v2 will dig 3hz lower into the sub bass region, so is gonna worth the upgrade

 

[YesThisIs]

but the v2 will dig 3hz lower into the sub bass region, so is gonna worth the upgrade

Dont forget the hugely updated and angled pads. That are not compatible with V1's. Because that would be impossible to produce.

 

[raypin]

Mm...

- Horrible customer support
- Horrible quality control
- 3000$ 6 month beta-tester program
-Literally "paying" for customers to give good feedback on their products on Amazon

Yeah, totally worth it to give this company 6k$. After that wait for 8 months and V2 has arrived.

mm...if you cannot prove or provide concrete evidence, specially the last part, kindly desist. That's libel.

 

[YesThisIs]

Mm...
mm...if you cannot prove or provide concrete evidence, specially the last part, kindly desist. That's libel.

https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/5kr8gp/hifiman_review_manipulation/

 

[FastAndClean]

Mm...


mm...if you cannot prove or provide concrete evidence, specially the last part, kindly desist. That's libel.

are you a member of hifiman or something, you are always trying to defend them, industry insider or devils advocate i guess

 

[raypin]

Ot: Mm...just a regular member. Not connected with any headphone company. All my headfi gear are paid for with my personal funds. All my opinions are entirely my own, free from any agenda and based on personal experience specially with headfi gear that I own.

 

[RCBinTN]

You really think ether flow is price right? Not me. Over price for a so so HP

Now the HD600 and HD650 is price beautifully. Even thou those headphones are 20 years old.

I remember listening to both HD600 and HD650 with a 3rd party cable and an unidentified amp/dac that sounded better than a Staxs! Everything included less than $1500

I wasn't saying that the HD600 and HD650 aren't priced right, I wasn't talking about them at all.

Anyway, I disagree that the Ether Flow is a "so-so" headphone. For me, it's a great planar with sublime sound that can approach the $4K cans out there. Check out Currawong's review of the current kings. The Flow are right up there.

I've never heard the HD600 or HD650, but I own the HD800. For some music, the Ether Flow beat even the superlative HD800.

It's all subjective in these threads. The SQ you experience depends on a wide variety of factors. I keep my line-up of (3) different cans because they work for me with different music genres. I listen to a wide variety of music, so I need a variety of cans.

Enjoy your music!
RCBinTN

 

[ruhenheiM]

is it only me or you guys also seeing it
http://www.hifiman.com/products/detail/276

forget the headphone, that amplifier price at $12k. i never knew labor and parts cost highly insane in china. i'm guessing all the big companies going to move their manufacturing somewhere else

 

[protoss]

I wasn't saying that the HD600 and HD650 aren't priced right, I wasn't talking about them at all.

Anyway, I disagree that the Ether Flow is a "so-so" headphone. For me, it's a great planar with sublime sound that can approach the $4K cans out there. Check out Currawong's review of the current kings. The Flow are right up there.

I've never heard the HD600 or HD650, but I own the HD800. For some music, the Ether Flow beat even the superlative HD800.

It's all subjective in these threads. The SQ you experience depends on a wide variety of factors. I keep my line-up of (3) different cans because they work for me with different music genres. I listen to a wide variety of music, so I need a variety of cans.

Enjoy your music!
RCBinTN

I wasn't saying that the HD600 and HD650 aren't priced right, I wasn't talking about them at all.

Anyway, I disagree that the Ether Flow is a "so-so" headphone. For me, it's a great planar with sublime sound that can approach the $4K cans out there. Check out Currawong's review of the current kings. The Flow are right up there.

I've never heard the HD600 or HD650, but I own the HD800. For some music, the Ether Flow beat even the superlative HD800.

It's all subjective in these threads. The SQ you experience depends on a wide variety of factors. I keep my line-up of (3) different cans because they work for me with different music genres. I listen to a wide variety of music, so I need a variety of cans.

Enjoy your music!
RCBinTN

I was using HD600&650 as an example of a perfect price for performance headphones. Not questioning you about that.

I saw currawong, Tyll, and Z reviews on the Ether Flow. I also auditioned the flows. Not impress. Just an opinion. Because of that I got the Ether C Flow and currently own that with 2 HD800s.

Side note, C Flows also not worth the price lol. I think HD800 ruined everything for me :O

Cheers