Hi, Shigzeo, Thank you for your respones. I would like to answer your questions where you are not quite understanding.
Fever, again, I don't understand you very well.
To me, I also don't understand you very well.
Yes, the AMP3 sounds good. But it is no more an instrument than another player.
I have said in previou post that if there is any other DADs are better on duplicating symphony,piano, violin and voacal, enven rock and eletrotrico, please point out the specified model name, and explain to us how it is better than AMP3. You don’t need to do complexed comparing, just compare one passage to explain. By this way, I will be more clearer.
It has a good circuit which never goes off. Some get 100 hours, some never get even close. It is built with a warbled treble which is like an added EQ layer giving atmosphere. The warbled layer is about ~1 dbl in strength, at points just more, at points less.
Your discover is really interesting.Hisoundaudio is firmly against any EQs. They would like lost the massive misunderstanding customers than not put in an EQ, Hisoundaudio strongly present the most natural music to the music lovers. I can’t understand your imagine.
My observation is not like that. The atmospheres of AMP3 come from the extending and smooth highs and other spectrums, plus the high resolution, the transparent voice, dynamic and timely speed controlling .If one player can controll the highs well and explain perfectly the atmosphere, the player can be caledl the hi fi.
If your imaging is a great discover, you can promot it to many DAP makers, it is very simple to add -1 db strength to any DAPs. Then the whole DAPs’ sound quality will be improved significently. This is a historic discover I supose.
The DT880 is actually a very easy to drive headphone in terms of volume. It can get way too loud with even a nano. And, I don't really care for a Nano much at all. The point is that the AMP3 sounds good or very good for a narrow range of phones. I don't care to hear what doesn't hiss and does in some list.
I am a newbie, I have read through the whole current headfi posts, including DAP,AMP, and earphone fields. This is the first time I read some body said DT880 is very very easy to drive. I only know DT880 has two versions of 250 ohm and 600 ohm. A fullsize phone with 250/600 Ohm can be called very very easy to drive? It is a common sense that how many models earphone’s impedence are higher than 600 ohm?
Put asid the impedence, You said AMP3 is lack of power to boost your DT880 on other posts, now you said your magic NANO can boost it very louder. My question is please test the output power of AMP3 and your Nano with your instruments, then tell us the which one has more power?
What I have said in my previous post is that I like to see the conclusions with same standard. I don’t want to see the power of AMP3 can be called weak with” specially way”. Now that you have answered my question with your NANO, please tell us the testing result.
Every one who has heard my AMP3's (two units) immediately says, "what's with the hiss"? That is with a variety of earphones from custom iems to phones like v-Jays.
I have not heard your AMP3, I have bought my AMP3 pro1 and pro2. Pro 1 has evident hiss, Pro2 have improved a lot. If take the stock phone as the standard, My pro2 have no hiss without added in impedence attenua. I don’t deny it has evedent hiss with UM3X and your phones. But your can’t represent most rest users to make a judgement that AMP3 is hiss as the ROCK concert.(your other post said), My god, I think the Rock living concert has at least 80DB noise, Do you want to tell the stranger who has never listen to AMP3 that it has 80db noise?
Flowery words don't make a player sound better. Neither does saying it does music better.
Yes, I agree. But On the contrary, the harsh words and exaggerate describing of the slight flaws can make a player sound better?
The thread began on last Jun, It has 1942 posts until now, Do you think there are lot of flowery words on it? If there is a post full of flowery words and out of the truth, please cite it out and you can debate it. You don’t need to imply all comments are flowery.
Infact, AMP3 is full of arguing from the first post. Anybody know, flowery words can cover the flaws of a player temporary, can it cover forever? AMP3 have be verified by many users, if there are fake informations, there are must a lot of post to expose it. Almost all the users praised it and complain it at the same time. If there is a biansed posts, please point it out.
Do you hope all posts say the harsh words to AMP3?
It has a good almost linear sound when an earphone is over 100 ohms. Then, there is also much less hiss. But it still runs down to preferences.
I have read some user of AMP3 use it as a reference DAP.To me I can’t find out other DAP can be more suitable as a reference until now, if there is, please recommend it to me with reasons. If you insist on using your magic NANO as the reference, I don’t against it.
It isn't a tactical sounding player.
You have the right to say so. By the way, please tell us how about your beloved DAP?
It is tweaky yet warm and has measurably higher distortion than a number of other players.
You don’t define it if it is exactly warm or over warm. Please make it more clearer to let other users for reference. If you evaluate AMP3 has measurably higher distortion than numbers of other players, Please only specifiedly point out one as an example, through the A/B comparing, to tell us why AMP3 is more distortion than the compared DAP.
To my experience with AMP3 and other DAPs, the intimate and engaging sound of AMP3 is it’s advantage. It is very simple to judege one DAP is distortion or not, you don’t need to use instrument to test. If a DAP have less fatigue, it can prove it has less distortion. To my experience, AMP3 bring me lessfatigue enve I listen to it whole day.
Let’s take Nano as an example, do you think AMP3 is more distortion than NANO? AMP3 is more fatigue than listen to Nano? Or let other users answer this question.
I am not saying that is bad. The X5 also has pretty high distortion when driving earphones and it is considered to be a great sounding player by some.
I know you love to listen to it straight from the jack, but if you pair it with an external amp, all of the problems inherent in its inability to drive the narrow band of earphones which it does nearly perfectly is alleviated. It sounds good with the DT880 - I said this. It doesn't however drive the DT880 with power like other portable amps: Voyager, ALO Rx and certainly not as well as desktop amp. The DT880 is an EASY to drive large headphone unless by some flowery word, you have a new definition for what is easy or hard to drive.
I not only like to listen it with HO, but also like to hook my AMP3 with my home auido system. AMP3 really can work as a good sound source and preamp. But it don’t mean it is not good at phones. There is a new post just now said AMP3 is good to pair his HD 600. I also have HD600, to me it is perfect paring. Be aware, that AMP3 has a class A amp.It is well known, Class A amp always have lower out put power digital, say, some hi end desk top home class A amp has only 2W output digital, comparing to some amp with 1000W,Can you said it is lack of power？
By the way, my music listening habbit is not the louder the better. Just as last post said, at nignt I only use 4 volume, it is only 1/8 of it capacity.
Amp3 is such a unique player which can interpret the detials and textures of the music with very lower volume. This is just what I have said AMP3 is fit for listenting the symphony. With AMP3, I can hear the tiny tones and tunes with the quiet passage. To be very frank, I only use AMP3 to listen complexed symphony. Before AMP3, I have never use any DAPs to apprieciate symphonys
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Back to the HD 600 pairing with AMP3, I find that the sound loud is completely enough. To most genres it can present what the recording has. To some genres, such as rock, it is lack of slam bass. But it is lucky, I don’t have a basshead. I am concentrate on music enjoyment than not concern on the bass impaction stimulating.
The included earphones too are best when given a lot of resistance.
As for reviews: there are a number of very good reviews. But then, you only take "good" ones to heart,
Your conclusion is very unfair. Do you think there are other full detailed reviews I missed on AMP3? If have, please metion it. Yes, I agree, there are numerous comments located at there and here,but it is not a detail and overal review. Need I mention all of names?
You use a quotation mark with “good”, Do you mean it is not a good review? If you think it is a biased review, you can post your against opinions to the reviews. I like to see the so called a “bad” review on AMP3, please point out it where it is.
Do you think I don’ read your posts or reviews on AMP3? No, Now, I am very careful to read and study of all your posts, it is not enough?
calling the reviewers 'specialists'.
Yes, I am a newbie, I respect any posts and any writer. Comparing to my audio knowledge, they are all specialists. For I can learn a lot of know-how to improve my audio and music experience. Eveybody has his own unique experience. This is why I call them as specialits. I am quite not understand, why you use other quotation mark? If you only permit me to think you are the only specialist?
Abellaw I think gave one of the best exclamations about the AMP3 that I have heard. It was from the heart from a non-partisan.
If I don’t miss something, do you imply besides Abellaw, other reviewers are partisan? Plus your other posts said we are the blinded Hisoundaudio supporter. Your rude jugdement stimulated me to make me write this post.
Before tag some “status” label on an enthusiam headfier, you need to make an investigating. Do you mean besides Abellaw, all other revievers and posts writers are belong to HISOUNAUDIO camp? Further more, if some posts praise AMP3 mean it have some interests with Hisoundaudio?
By the way, what partisan are you at? Every body knows you are living on an APPLE related wibsite of www.tochmyApps.com. It is no strange you said AMP3 is more distortion than NANO.
Sasaki is a very good reviewer: just read his blog. He has reviewed many many portables. I have presented on a number of occasions evidence that it sounds good abut only really sounds good for critical listeners under the most perfect of circumstances. You however, ignore reviews like mine;
Have I ignored your reviews? specialist, I can alost remember all of your posts in cluding other posts related with other products. I have said,I am a newbie, l like to learn informations.
if you just want to hear: OMG it is great, OMG the mid range; OMG the sound!, then look no further than those 5 reviews which you mention.
Your judgment is too assertive. Have I againsted any different voice with AMP3? Am I only flowery AMP3? What I have said I agains any misleading, I against any biased comments. I only want to express my own opinions bassed on my observation, just as my previous post that you don’t understand but SHW24 agreed my opinions. I don’t say AMP3 is a perfect player, I also said AMP3 is not my recommendation player. But don’t you don’t permit so many AMP3 player users love it? It is a competion market, If you don’t like your AMP3, you can return it, it is very simple.
I have said, I like to read any full and detailed overall reviews on AMP3, including posts, Why did you make a conclusion for me? Please point out if there is the 6th detailed review on AMP3 I have avoid to mention on head fi forum !!!!
Calling a person a specialist on DAP on what account?
You can image for what account. I have my freedom to respect any person who has more audio experiences than me. In fact you are one of “specialist” too.
I would rather hear reviews from DFKT - someone who has reviewed every non-Apple product. His reviews I would trust more than anyone on these boards though he and I don't see eye to eye regarding a few points. His reviews tackle realistic goals: how well a player drives a headphone, not how well he thinks it might maybe because everyone else says so.
You like to read DFKT’s review is your freedom. But please don’t imply that other’s reviews on this forum are less trusted.
The point is this: from the beginning, the AMP3 has had a strange following.
Your crude judgement stimulates me and other AMP3 lovers again. Does we are the strange followers of AMP3 from the beginning? Plus your other conclusion said we are the blinded AMP3 supporter. What are your accordance? What are the “strange”things? Please identify it. Everybody has right to like or dislike the specified players, you don’t have the right to tag them as “stranger followers or blind supporters.”
If all our headfier support your magic NANO is not blind?
I like the machine, but anyone who says that it isn't as was so eloquently stated above, unicorn crap, is cut down by you and a few others who came to these boards about the same time as the AMP3 became popular.
If the AMP3 could fix: impedance matching with realistic aims of less than 100 ohms, it would be a realistic amp/dap for customers earphones. As it is, it works best for the headphones which it cannot fully drive, or as a preamp/source for outboard components.
I am a general user of AMP3, I have no right to order Hisoundaudio on how to design the player.
What I can do is if I like some player I will take it and keep it, If I don’t like it I return it.I don’t like cost my time to attack the one I dislke. If the manufacture earn money or not,it is not my responsible.
Anyway, I like to discuss things with the true facts and seriou attitud. I have said, I am a newbie, my opinions are not always correct, I really welcom the communication with your specialists. I welcom specialists correct my misatakens. But I hope to learn the audio knowledge by specified facts than not by imagine.
