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First: The OP is a major Troll. First claiming a 650/Tandberg/Soundcard system, and the the next day it's magically a Stax/Shanling system. Which is it?
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Uh... read his signature? Some people have more than one rig, you know.
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Second: There's to be NO DBX discussions. This thread should be closed.
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Re-check what section of the forum you are in. ABX/DBT is allowed in this subsection.
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There are a few soundcards that have decent quality DAC's and even half passable headphone outputs. Unfortunately they are stuck inside the Noisiest RF environment in the entire house. This is why going external with even very modest equipment yields audible improvements.
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Any proof to that claim? All of the evidence points otherwise. Noise levels are exactly the same in my PCI version of the EMU 0404, if not ever so slightly better than its USB counterpart. See:
RightMark Audio Analyzer test : [MME] E-DSP Wave [EC00] PCI version
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RightMark Audio Analyzer test : E-MU 0404 USB loopback bal 16b 44k
Note the lower noise level in the PCI version, most likely due just to testing differences. For all practical purposes they're the same. The whole "internal=noise=worse" speculation has been proved wrong time and time again.
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No one forces high end cables down anyones throats. Everyone saying that they are total snake oil are saying that IN Their Opinion they are. If a person had any sense at all once they get together a decent system they should borrow a few different High End Cables and give them a listen. If you hear a difference, and the difference is worth the price to you (Personal value judgment) then buy them, if not don't.
There are entirely too many militant anti-high-end activists loitering around every audio forum. People who believe that cables and some other tweaks make worthwhile improvements in their systems tend to share the info and encourage others to try it. Whereas people who think everything high-end is snake oil continuously belittle and refer to people who believe differently than them as lunatics, and insist that your crazy or imagining things if you even mention that such things matter.
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Perhaps skeptics call people crazy or schizophrenic, but cable believers have called me as well as many other people deaf, closed minded, stupid, lacking in common sense, tin eared, jealous, petty, and of having a POS rig. Insults come from both sides, and more importantly from rude people, not exclusively from one camp vs. another.
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DBX testing, I don't listen to my music under DBX conditions so I don't really care what the results of DBX tests are. As far as the people who make nonsensical claims that all amps sound the same or all CD players/DAC's sound the same I would like to ask you What are you frequenting an Audio related forum for? The only possible answer is to be a bunch of TROLLS.
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I can't speak for everyone, but I frequent an audio-related forum because it's fun. Not only have I learned about all sorts of new music, but I've also learned A LOT about how my rigs work. It's been a very educational experience for me, and I assume it's been so for many others as well. Plus, I'm a practical person: I only believe in allocating money where I can get a major return. Discovering that there are no audible differences between DACs has saved me a ton of money and has made finding the most neutral system a much easier process.
You really need to stop generalizing and lay off the accusations before fully reading both sides of the issue and thinking critically about the points each person made. Calling people trolls wantonly without even realizing that the OP might have had two headphone setups (especially when one is dynamic and one is electrostatic) comes off as a bit rude and careless.