[T.R.A.N.C.E.]

The ak240 is not quite a comparable price.

 
You are unnecessarily hurting the M2's credibility if you assume the AK240 is better because it is more expensive, unless you do actually think the AK240 is better and is priced as such, in which case I've lost interest in the M2, because imo the AK240 is worth about 1.5k.

 

[PhilW]

   
You are unnecessarily hurting the M2's credibility if you assume the AK240 is better because it is more expensive, unless you do actually think the AK240 is better and is priced as such, in which case I've lost interest in the M2, because imo the AK240 is worth about 1.5k.

 
I'm not sure how you concluded this. I am just not sure it is accurate to grab a comparison between something that costs so much more. Granted the M2 is astonishingly good for £899 as I have stated above, in my opinion it isn't as good as the AK240 but even if you perceive the AK240 to be "worth" 1.5k it isn't. It's £2200. I think that if people are looking for a DAP at the £899 price point then I would surmise they would be looking at DAPs of between £700 - £1400. Again I am surmising. A Ferrari 458 Speciale may drive better than a Caterham 7 but I wouldn't look at buying the Ferrari if I couldn't afford it. I would be trying other cars like the Lotus Elise 111 or TVR Cerbera. I would put the M2 easily up against the AK100 and AK120 II.
 
Regards
 
Phil

 

[musicday]

Lotoo Paw is £1499 and is better then AK240 priced at £2200.
Construction wise is similar and Paw has sapphire screen, better battery life and much higher power output.

 

[T.R.A.N.C.E.]

Just my opinion that the sound + features of the 240 are worth 1.5k to me personally, wasn't concluding anything, just stating my opinion. Also the 120ii and 240 should practically sound the same as they are identical in dac/amp circuit, 240 just adds xmos chip for native dsd, although I am unsure if the xmos chip is utilized in pcm playback, in which case the 240 would sound slightly different due to different processing.

 

[PhilW]

Lotoo Paw is £1499 and is better then AK240 priced at £2200.
Construction wise is similar and Paw has sapphire screen, better battery life and much higher power output.

 
I'd love to compare the M2 with the Lotoo musicday.... When are you next in the area?

 

[musicday]

In two weeks i should come around, or we can meet in Cambridge at the headfi meeting. Will bring Lotoo and Tera player.Get ready to be amazed.:&)

 

[PhilW]

In two weeks i should come around, or we can meet in Cambridge at the headfi meeting. Will bring Lotoo and Tera player.Get ready to be amazed.:&)

 
Agh, I can't make Cambridge as we will be preparing for our sale then, sorry. Hope to see you in 2 weeks though

 

[dnun8086]

Just need to finalise things with Robert but I should be able to bring the AR-M2 and the UA1 to the Cambridge meet if anyone can make it .

 

[Sound Eq]

 
I'm not sure how you concluded this. I am just not sure it is accurate to grab a comparison between something that costs so much more. Granted the M2 is astonishingly good for £899 as I have stated above, in my opinion it isn't as good as the AK240 but even if you perceive the AK240 to be "worth" 1.5k it isn't. It's £2200. I think that if people are looking for a DAP at the £899 price point then I would surmise they would be looking at DAPs of between £700 - £1400. Again I am surmising. A Ferrari 458 Speciale may drive better than a Caterham 7 but I wouldn't look at buying the Ferrari if I couldn't afford it. I would be trying other cars like the Lotus Elise 111 or TVR Cerbera. I would put the M2 easily up against the AK100 and AK120 II.
 
Regards
 
Phil

 


thanks phil, i think your statement back fired at you

it happens to all of us, but I understand your point, but sometimes sky rocket priced daps like ak240 can be intimidating and we all know you are paying mainly for brand name of ak and not for sound quality

 

[PhilW]

 
I'm not sure how you concluded this. I am just not sure it is accurate to grab a comparison between something that costs so much more. Granted the M2 is astonishingly good for £899 as I have stated above, in my opinion it isn't as good as the AK240 but even if you perceive the AK240 to be "worth" 1.5k it isn't. It's £2200. I think that if people are looking for a DAP at the £899 price point then I would surmise they would be looking at DAPs of between £700 - £1400. Again I am surmising. A Ferrari 458 Speciale may drive better than a Caterham 7 but I wouldn't look at buying the Ferrari if I couldn't afford it. I would be trying other cars like the Lotus Elise 111 or TVR Cerbera. I would put the M2 easily up against the AK100 and AK120 II.
 
Regards
 
Phil

 


thanks phil, i think your statement back fired at you

it happens to all of us, but I understand your point, but sometimes sky rocket priced daps like ak240 can be intimidating and we all know you are paying mainly for brand name of ak and not for sound quality

I don't agree, I think price has a big impact on comparing a product. Why would a consumer be wanting a comparison between a FiiO X1 and an AK240SS for example?

 

[Sound Eq]

I don't agree, I think price has a big impact on comparing a product. Why would a consumer be wanting a comparison between a FiiO X1 and an AK240SS for example?

phil please we are not comparing a 100 usd to a 2400 usd, we are comparing around 1200 usd to 2400 usd daps
 
and alot on head-fi are comparing cowon p1 and calyx m to ak240 and surprisingly many like cayx m and cowon sound better than ak240

 

[Replicant187]

any kind of comparison is welcome.

 

[PhilW]

Agree to disagree

 

[Sound Eq]

money money money
 
ok so let me tell u this i bought chord hugo for about 1400 GBP and bought after few weeks ifi micro dsd for about 400 GBP and eneded up selling the hugo because the ifi to me sounded better
 
so its not always about money its about sound 

 

[PhilW]

money money money

ok so let me tell u this i bought chord hugo for about 1400 GBP and bought after few weeks ifi micro dsd for about 400 GBP and eneded up selling the hugo because the ifi to me sounded better

so its not always about money its about sound 

fair enough. That makes sense. I could afford an M2 and couldn't afford an ak240 even if it was £1500. Even if the AK240 did or didn't sound better I couldn't afford it anyway.