[seanc6441]

I only use the hiegis for donuts and full foams, and the bulk thin black foams that @seanc6441 mentioned



To me, the thin black foams are better than the VEs. The VEs tends to disperse the treble, making them splashy compared to hearing them without foams.. Not to mention they are itchy, prone to tear and stretch, crumbling and leaving small debris on the ears... and also the color easily wear off and stains the ears and buds by slight moisture/sweat. Haven't tried the new monk foams though, just my experience with the older ones

I found the old ones to be the most transparent but they did break easily (although more stretchy and durable than the cheapo thin foams which just tear when stretched too much).

The new VE foams are thicker slightly, so better seal for bass but slightly less transparent.

About the treble as you said I think all the thin foams don’t tame the treble /mids much but they do disperse it slightly, but no more than regular full foams? I also find that the regular full foams dull the sound and veil it, but the thins can actually bring it forward and only lose 5% clarity maybe.

My preference for most buds is regular donuts, they are the most natural sounding and just tame the treble slightly and add a slightl amount of low end, but the thin monk foams (new pack) do work very well in these cases when you need clarity for the treble and a slightly filled out (dispersed) midrange to add a thick/lush quality to buds like the RX1 which are slightly lean sounding without the foams.

 

[chinmie]

I found the old ones to be the most transparent but they did break easily (although more stretchy and durable than the cheapo thin foams which just tear when stretched too much).

The new VE foams are thicker slightly, so better seal for bass but slightly less transparent.

About the treble as you said I think all the thin foams don’t tame the treble /mids much but they do disperse it slightly, but no more than regular full foams? I also find that the regular full foams dull the sound and veil it, but the thins can actually bring it forward and only lose 5% clarity maybe.

My preference for most buds is regular donuts, they are the most natural sounding and just tame the treble slightly and add a slightl amount of low end, but the thin monk foams (new pack) do work very well in these cases when you need clarity for the treble and a slightly filled out (dispersed) midrange.

Foams do tame the high frequency. Even though instruments like cymbals seems to pass through fine, but the "sparkle" or "sizzle" get shaved off a bit. Guitar with fuzz effects definitely audible to that change of foams. What you perceived as mids getting veiled is because even the mid freq instruments (vocals, guitar, etc) also have that high freq sparkle. When they loose it they will become veiled sounding.

 

[seanc6441]

Foams do tame the high frequency. Even though instruments like cymbals seems to pass through fine, but the "sparkle" or "sizzle" get shaved off a bit. Guitar with fuzz effects definitely audible to that change of foams. What you perceived as mids getting veiled is because even the mid freq instruments (vocals, guitar, etc) also have that high freq sparkle. When they loose it they will become veiled sounding.

Oh I agree with that but I think it’s a necessary step with almost every earbud because of how they are tuned to be used with foams. I think most people find them too bright without foams even if that’s when you get the most airy and extended sound.

I’ve only used a few darker buds that sound ‘nice’ without foams, the Monk plus for example except you lose the seal for bass too and that becomes non existent.

 

[chinmie]

Oh I agree with that but I think it’s a necessary step with almost every earbud because of how they are tuned to be used with foams. I think most people find them too bright without foams even if that’s when you get the most airy and extended sound.

I don't necessarily have problems with too much treble without foams.. It's the skinny bass that bothers me
Not to mention that using earbuds without foams, they will be prone to driver flex

My rule of thumb is always choose the full foams first, then:
if the midrange is too forward, i change to donuts
if all freq is even but sounded veiled, i change to thinner full foams

 

[SweetEars]

IMHO Vidos (& all budget earbuds) comes with copper cable. You will need to do some soldering if you're keen to experiment on
different types of cable (silver cables, silver plated cables etc...). Even by replacing the 3.5mm plugs to some better quality ones will affect the vidos SQ.

checked aliexpress the videos onyl come up with rubber cable

 

[SweetEars]

Oh I agree with that but I think it’s a necessary step with almost every earbud because of how they are tuned to be used with foams. I think most people find them too bright without foams even if that’s when you get the most airy and extended sound.

I’ve only used a few darker buds that sound ‘nice’ without foams, the Monk plus for example except you lose the seal for bass too and that becomes non existent.

the new blue graphenes sound better without foams in terms of soundstage and airiness but bass is recessed.

 

[SweetEars]

if i have the EMX 500 Graphenes blue and the R4YS, is it worthwhile to ge the **** PT15 f?

 

[seanc6441]

checked aliexpress the videos onyl come up with rubber cable

The actual cable is copper. Rubber is just the shielding/covering on the outside.

 

[LordZero]

I found the old ones to be the most transparent but they did break easily (although more stretchy and durable than the cheapo thin foams which just tear when stretched too much).

The new VE foams are thicker slightly, so better seal for bass but slightly less transparent.

About the treble as you said I think all the thin foams don’t tame the treble /mids much but they do disperse it slightly, but no more than regular full foams? I also find that the regular full foams dull the sound and veil it, but the thins can actually bring it forward and only lose 5% clarity maybe.

My preference for most buds is regular donuts, they are the most natural sounding and just tame the treble slightly and add a slightl amount of low end, but the thin monk foams (new pack) do work very well in these cases when you need clarity for the treble and a slightly filled out (dispersed) midrange to add a thick/lush quality to buds like the RX1 which are slightly lean sounding without the foams.

Thanks to both of you

Ordered the Rx-1 with the foams and donuts
Also, waiting for the Vibo, Emx500 and x6 =P

Never used a earbud without foamies, glad that aliexpress have them for pretty cheap, some years ago, everytime I lost a foam, it was like the end of the world

 

[golov17]

Old vs new VE foams

 

[golov17]

Black new VE foams good with Monk lite 40 Ohm

 

[fairx]

Old vs new VE foams

Left old, right new? If that's the case then the 100pcs black foam for usd3 are more porous I think. Those old ve foams are hard to find? I guess VE didn't produce themselves but get it from NOS. That's the only explanation IMO.

I wish someone reproduce them some more

 

[seanc6441]

Left old, right new? If that's the case then the 100pcs black foam for usd3 are more porous I think. Those old ve foams are hard to find? I guess VE didn't produce themselves but get it from NOS. That's the only explanation IMO.

I wish someone reproduce them some more

You’re correct the black cheapo foams are in between the density of old and new ve foams.

I don’t think it was NOS just a decision to change the manufacturing for some reason. I mean they produced a lot of the old thin foams and since the first production until recently.

Maybe too many of the old foams were defective in manufacturing because they were so thin

Personally I wish they still made the old fosms and these new ones in the same pack, because they don’t sound exactly the same (more clarity vs more full sound/bass)

 

[APC01]

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[LordZero]

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Someone knows something about this "new" version?

What is the difference with the origial version?

thanks

I'm also interested, but should this be here? :X