Yes i agree as mentioned a few posts back
In my limited time with them, newly acquired, with my gear thats already quite smooth (woo wa2) i find them nicely flowing and easy listeneing. So i shall us them in that capacity but not as my main tubes.
I love my siemens cca. Punchy, dynamic very detailed. Nice extension. Not laid back at all.
I have some tele e188cc on the way but i have never heard any tele before
I also posted recently that my humble bugle boys ate fantastic value. They have ended up opening up quite similar to the siemens cca but not quite as detailed as layerd but heading that way and a touch warmer for half the price. These are quite musical and euphonic in a nice subtle way
If you dont find your system (too) bright then the siemens cca are worth looking at for something special IMHO. YMMV.
and if you find some cheap bugle boys (60's) then also maybe worth a look
I have also found the amperex usa 6922 with a nice level of detail (but not as much as the teles) without any harshness, nice even balance and a touch or round smoothness. Again my recently acquired amperex military 7308 are a little brighter/neutral but a little leaner as my first impression of them
Hope that helps a little