5g ipod vs x5

[jmpage2]

As good as the iPod is (and yes, it's pretty good) I have noticed a certain level of "zealotry" in defending it from people who point out its many flaws.

Just remember that the iPod is as "good" as it is perceived to be due to the millions who adore (worship) it. Not necessarily due to any technical superiority.

And yes, I have one and like it quite a bit.

 

[chrisfromalbany]

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Originally Posted by jmpage2 As good as the iPod is (and yes, it's pretty good) I have noticed a certain level of "zealotry" in defending it from people who point out its many flaws. Just remember that the iPod is as "good" as it is perceived to be due to the millions who adore (worship) it. Not necessarily due to any technical superiority. And yes, I have one and like it quite a bit.

There is a same cult that looks to anything that isn't ipod and goes behind it because of it. So it works both ways.

Like most companies that control a given market; (Microsoft, Sony, Apple). At some point they made a product that was pretty good, well marketed, and then took control of their segment. Then they continued to maintain their market share by releasing subsequent versions that may not have been as revolutionary as their predecessors but did enough to keep control.

The portion of people that actually worship Apples products, is quite small. More in the computer segment really. Majority of the people have Ipods because of being in the stores, commercials, and perceived coolness associated to them. This being done be design and in marketing.

As for technical superiority, there isn’t any real superiority because Apple doesn’t make most of the parts in the Ipod. Being that Apple controls the market they have two distinct advantages over there competitors.

[size=small](1) They get parts cheaper then there competitors because of the volume they do. Sometimes quoting a price per unit and stipulating all others must pay more. (Walmarts does this all the time)

(2) Most manufactures want to do business with them. They are the segment leader, so doing business with them would be the biggest account in the segment. Apple is able to pick and choose which parts to include in the Ipod to make it the best at a certain price per unit cost.[/size]

 

[The D]

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Originally Posted by bangraman In case you didn't notice, for your benefit I did bold areas of my previous post for emphasis. It does help to have a clue before you start arguing about things.

I have used itunes once and I could not care less about it, I much prefer J.River Media Center.

 

[jnev]

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Originally Posted by The D I have used itunes once and I could not care less about it, I much prefer J.River Media Center.

to each their own i guess... i find itunes to be an AWESOME program.

 

[germanjulian]

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Originally Posted by jnev to each their own i guess... i find itunes to be an AWESOME program.

cause it is but you do need to use it for a while to get used to it and appreciate it. But I do see the difference between the apple fan boys, apple haters and the people who are mature enough to listen to some valid arguements.
There is this huge "omg apple is so cool I am so trendy have the latest gadget" group who does not know the first thing about technology but talks about their superiority of their products based on the large user group.
The "haters" who do point out the bad but do not see the good at all in a producte and won't listen to any valid points since they dont care and everyone is a fanboy anyway..
and a few of us, who discuss why x has advantages over y and our reasons why we think x is better then x in some scenarios. Somehow the haters and fanboys just dont get it, seen it enough times now with various products.

Get the X5, there is so many good reasons why you should and so many reasosn why I didnt need it. (Have external hd for data transfer and I need 250GB for that, dont need flac, ogg support since I use mpc, I have such a large libary I need ITunes etc etc. its cheaper and slimmer (I wear a suit)).

One thing I have noticed about the g5 which I dont like it that the menu going UP have some lag ... sometimes and a short lag! Find this odd since the thing has no fancy GUI and is a 5th generation mp3 player.

 

[PixelSquish]

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Originally Posted by germanjulian http://www.boedeker.com/polyc_p.htm http://www.sdplastics.com/polycarb.html you get used to EQ, you get used to the true sound of music without EQ. But cheap headphones like the ksc75 I would not get used to. Seen those over 5000 dollar amps without bass and trebel adjustment? There is a reason why they dont have it. Oh and by the way: http://www6.head-fi.org and I do the same with ITunes, drag and drop a folder into it? And yes most mp3 player can bookmark mp3 files now, except the Ipod if its a normal mp3. but is it a feature I really really need? Stop flaming

he wasnt flaming at all.

stop making false accusations. you look silly.

 

[germanjulian]

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Originally Posted by idiotekniQues he wasnt flaming at all. stop making false accusations just because your a fanboy

says the person with the X5.

and for heavens sake where ones please in any of my post in this thread do I come across as a fanboy? where do i say something which is not true? do I not even complain about the ipod 2 posts up? and 3 posts down I said I hate apple.... (various valid reasons and cooperate ethics issues)

 

[PixelSquish]

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Originally Posted by germanjulian original quote says the person with the X5. and for heavens sake where ones please in any of my post in this thread do I come across as a fanboy? where do i say something which is not true? do I not even complain about the ipod 2 posts up? and 3 posts down I said I hate apple.... (various valid reasons and cooperate ethics issues)

the reason i changed to you look silly from fanboy, is because i decided you werent making false accusations because you were fanboy,but just because you dont think clearly aka silly.

i havent figured out why you would accuse him of flaming when he so obviously wasnt, rather just having good clean debate of points.

my immediate reaction was that you were a fanboy. then i decided i didnt have enough information to make you a fanboy, but just someone who doesnt thinks straight. therefore i edited my post.

 

[spaceconvoy]

I used tio own the X5 and recently borrowed by friend's iPod photo - here's my conclusions:

Buy the iPod if you:
- Listen through an amp from the line-out
- Browse with id3 tags
- Watch videos
- Like fun accessories

Buy the X5 if you:
- Listen straight from the headphone out
- Browse by folders
- Want a long battery life
- Like useful technical features

Sound Quality: yes, the X5 is better just listening through the headphone jack, but it is still nowhere near audiophile quality. If SQ is really important to you, go with an iPod + amp.

File Browsing: the X5 is easier to load and manage files, but you have to have all your albums organized into folders. On the other hand, if you buy an iPod, you have to have all your files id3 tagged.

Specialities: the new iPod is hands-down better for video, but the X5 gets you a much longer battery life.

Misc: if you're into more useful, technical features (like voice recording, usb file transfer from you camera, fm radio), get the X5. If you like fun accessories (like the iTrip, speaker docks, or the millions of cases available), then get the iPod.

 

[germanjulian]

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Originally Posted by spaceconvoy I used tio own the X5 and recently borrowed by friend's iPod photo - here's my conclusions: .....

totally agree>>> BUT! the G5 has much better sound quality from headphones out then the old G4. I wouldnt have considred a G4 pod. And 20hrs battery life aint bad either (not that I will ever need it).

 

[bangraman]

The 5G has changed from the Photo, arguably the weakest of all the iPods in terms of headphone-out SQ with low-impedance phones, although still OK. In terms of base SQ, the 5G is suspiciously similar to the X5. Right down to how it behaves with phones of varying impedances.


I'd also add the portability aspect with the iPod. The 5G 30Gb is just over half the thickness of the standard (non-L) X5. The 60Gb 5G is also just over half the thickness of the standard 60Gb X5 or the 30Gb L model. The 30Gb X5L model is in turn over twice as thick as the 30Gb 5G. The dimensions listed on the iAudio website are being somewhat economical with the truth BTW.


Claimed battery lives vs real lives are similar on both Apple and Cowon players... i.e. neither play the numbers game too much, unlike Sony. So you pick between the claimed 14 hours of the standard 30Gb X5 vs the same 14 hours of the 30Gb 5G, 14 hours of the 60Gb X5 vs 20 hours of the 60Gb 5G, or the 35hrs of the 30Gb X5L with the abovementioned size penalty. As I might have mentioned before, it's not every day I need a 35-hour endurance and I'd rather pick something slim for everyday use, and a battery pack like the Tekkeon for extended journeys which will go for longer than 35 hours. No X5 owner (apart from me) also seems to mention that the USB battery charging is a bit of a joke compared to the "plug & charge at a reasonable speed while syncing or playing" simplicity of the iPod.


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Originally Posted by spaceconvoy I used tio own the X5 and recently borrowed by friend's iPod photo - here's my conclusions: Buy the iPod if you: - Listen through an amp from the line-out - Browse with id3 tags - Watch videos - Like fun accessories Buy the X5 if you: - Listen straight from the headphone out - Browse by folders - Want a long battery life - Like useful technical features Sound Quality: yes, the X5 is better just listening through the headphone jack, but it is still nowhere near audiophile quality. If SQ is really important to you, go with an iPod + amp. File Browsing: the X5 is easier to load and manage files, but you have to have all your albums organized into folders. On the other hand, if you buy an iPod, you have to have all your files id3 tagged. Specialities: the new iPod is hands-down better for video, but the X5 gets you a much longer battery life. Misc: if you're into more useful, technical features (like voice recording, usb file transfer from you camera, fm radio), get the X5. If you like fun accessories (like the iTrip, speaker docks, or the millions of cases available), then get the iPod.

 

[spaceconvoy]

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Originally Posted by bangraman No X5 owner (apart from me) also seems to mention that the USB battery charging is a bit of a joke compared to the "plug & charge at a reasonable speed while syncing or playing" simplicity of the iPod.

Very true - I didn't really mind how slow it took to charge, but not being able to play music while charging was almost unforgivable (one of the many reasons I sold mine). Another thing, for those of us who obsess about preserving the L-Ion's life expectancy - I found the X5's battery indicator to be unreliable. It will show the battery as almost empty when it's only halfway done (yes, I even drained it completely a few times to 'reset' the memory). So you'll end up charging it a lot more often if you're worried about it's life cycle.

 

[bangraman]

Ah. In my case, many's the time that I've left the X5 charging off my laptop, or so I thought... until I get to the airport, get on the plane and find I have half an hour of juice left at the most. And of course as you said, there's no way to listen to it when it's charging so what I end up doing is digging out the laptop, copying over the music I want to listen to, listening on the laptop while I charge the X5 on the plane.

 

[PixelSquish]

ive left my x5 to transfer 20 gigs of music on before i went to bed, forgot about it and woken up 10 hours later to a full battery with it still hooked up to the pc.

been usin it all week , so far about 15 hours worth and i show half a battery left.

 

[bangraman]

The X5 doesn't use batteries when it's connected via to the PC via USB so that is not unusual. But it doesn't charge via USB either unless you turn the X5 off.