24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

[bigshot]

Let me know when you have tested all humans to determine that.

I'll refrain from saying that the Sun will rise in the East tomorrow until I have a chance to gather my evidence. I'll have it for you tomorrow by noon.

 

[amirm]

No, I didn't mean for a checkup. I meant for research to see if we need to extend the thresholds.

Go ahead and call them to ask if they can measure your threshold for FM modulation (jitter/Wow and flutter), they will refer you to the psychology department!

That is not what they do. They worry about medical consequences. If there is none, it is not of interest to them. To wit, for diagnosing some cancers frequency response up to 20 kHz is measured in audiology tests.

So no, that is not what you do. First thing you should do is study the research that is already out there. Understand what is truly tested. Learn about statistics and their meaning as applied to listening tests. To the extend you are unwilling to do any of that, then please don't waste time lecturing the other camp to learn audio science. Learning needs to start with our team, not theirs.

 

[amirm]

I'll refrain from saying that the Sun will rise in the East tomorrow until I have a chance to gather my evidence. I'll have it for you tomorrow by noon.

Good luck with that in winter in Alaska....

 

[bigshot]

 

[colonelkernel8]

Good luck with that in winter in Alaska....

I know you’re the master of pedantry, but I’ll do you one step further, polar nights only occur at roughly 66.5 degrees north latitude and above in Alaska, leaving most of the population in Anchorage without that phenomenon.

 

[bigshot]

And if you're on the moon, the sun doesn't rise at all!

 

[Glmoneydawg]

And if you're on the moon, the sun doesn't rise at all!

It rises....its just not that impressive....was gonna post a pic,but they all suck...new appreciation for the view from here.

 

[bigshot]

How do you howl at the moon when you are on it, dawg?

 

[colonelkernel8]

How do you howl at the moon when you are on it, dawg?

He looks down at his feet I suppose.

 

[chef8489]

Spoken as someone who has not submitted yourself to audiology tests. If you had, you would know that they are not there to test the limits of your hearing. For example, the highest frequency they test is 8 kHz.

You seem to have no use for audio research or actual experience with the topic.

You must have crappy doctors if yours only test up to 8khz. Our government tests are beyond 20khz as they want to find out if we have hearing loss. My last test took over 4 hours.

 

[castleofargh]

the most basic hearing test at my previous work done every 3 years was up to 8khz too. it's the stuff I've seen all my life with the crappy closed back on ear headphone which has clamp of death to try and isolate a little from external noises. usually with rather poor success in my experience. I've had cars passing down the street probably 20dB louder than the test tone I was supposed to identify. not that it's relevant anyway, they do it because they have a legal obligation to do so, but if you end up with massive hearing loss, they stop being doctors and instantly become defense lawyers. "do you own a lawn mower? do you go to concerts? do you have a car? are your kids noisy? well that's why you have hearing loss, and absolutely not because you spend 8hours a day next to a V16 engine without the right to ear plugs. now that we've established that your job is very safe for your ears, have a good day and be more careful when around kids your ears are precious." or something along those lines...

 

[chef8489]

the most basic hearing test at my previous work done every 3 years was up to 8khz too. it's the stuff I've seen all my life with the crappy closed back on ear headphone which has clamp of death to try and isolate a little from external noises. usually with rather poor success in my experience. I've had cars passing down the street probably 20dB louder than the test tone I was supposed to identify. not that it's relevant anyway, they do it because they have a legal obligation to do so, but if you end up with massive hearing loss, they stop being doctors and instantly become defense lawyers. "do you own a lawn mower? do you go to concerts? do you have a car? are your kids noisy? well that's why you have hearing loss, and absolutely not because you spend 8hours a day next to a V16 engine without the right to ear plugs. now that we've established that your job is very safe for your ears, have a good day and be more careful when around kids your ears are precious." or something along those lines...

Ours are done with in ears then they switch to bone conducted tests half way through. It is extremely intensive and long. Have to take several breaks during it.

 

[amirm]

You must have crappy doctors if yours only test up to 8khz. Our government tests are beyond 20khz as they want to find out if we have hearing loss. My last test took over 4 hours.

Which government is that? Is there a link to the test protocol? Do you have your results you can post?

The tests here last 15 to 20 minutes. I doubt very much anyone would want to sit through a 4 hour test without any indication of disease.

Fatigue is a big problem when tests lasts more than 20 to 30 minutes. So I question whether there are valid results in anything that would last 4 hours.

As to doctors being crappy, that is not the case. Their focus is in people hearing and understanding others. 20 kHz is not needed for that.

 

[bigshot]

I'm sure if you called an audiologist and told him the kind of test you would like to have done, he could accommodate it.

 

[amirm]

I'm sure if you called an audiologist and told him the kind of test you would like to have done, he could accommodate it.

Nope. I asked. They said you had to go the hospital to have the full frequency range test done. And that they would be reluctant to run it on me since it is reserved for cancer patients and such.

The entire test setup, equipment and training is different.

I trust you have not had the test done to say that?