[EagleWings]

Yeah, in my experience, HD600 are a little bit bass shy. If U10 with the B1 is at bass neutral or even a little bit above, that's good enough for me.

Interesting. May be the owner had it EQd for some additional bass. Not sure. But to my ears, U10's bass is definitely north of neutral.

To give you more references, I consider HD800 and the original Ether bass light. Even the HD800 was hooked on to its owners system and the owner could have had some kind of EQ. But I tried the Ether on my Fiio X3ii with Mojo in the middle and I had no EQ.

EDIT: Btw, HD600 and HD800 were not from the same system and owners.

 

[PinkyPowers]

There was a picture earlier in this thread with the U10, U12 and Roxanne side by side. If Angie's size is close to the size of Roxannes, then these should be smaller.

Thanks! I found the photo. The ADELs look much smaller. Do they fit more or less flush? It looks like they might.

 

[EagleWings]

Thanks! I found the photo. The ADELs look much smaller. Do they fit more or less flush? It looks like they might.

The U12's were not flush. The U10s were flush, may be protruding just a tiny bit. I have not tried the U8.

 

[scottcocoabeach]

How big are the Universals? I'm curious about the U8 and U12. Do they stick out like the JHAudio Angie?

 
My U6's don't protrude past my Anti-Helix. The answer to this question may depend somewhat on the size of your ears, but I think you will find them pretty compact. I would guess the U8's shell size is pretty close to the U6. I just compared my U6 and U3 and the U3's are actually a "smidge" deeper than the U6's, which surprised me, otherwise they are almost exactly the same size.

 

[scottcocoabeach]

  Really torn between getting S1 or B1 for U10. I do like "enough" bass, and if can get that with the B1 module while getting more air and detail, then that's the way I'll go. Isolation is secondary for me.
 
If I could get HD600 like sound with more bass with B1, then that's the one I'll get.
 
Suggestions?

 
I can answer this shortly after September 22nd 

 
In all seriousness with the A12/U6/U3 I prefer pretty much every module over the S1 and I expect the U10 to be the same, even if it does have a little less bass. I ordered the U10's and picked the B1 module, but I already have all the modules so I can swap as needed. If I was just starting out I would go with B1 and then purchase the MAM's from Asius as they will provide the most varied options for the $ versus a fixed module.

 

[scottcocoabeach]

Just happened to notice on the 64Audio site that they have a new "Gold" and "Rose Gold" faceplate option. Add's $100 per side. They have gold apex modules to match it. Wouldn't be my choice (I went with Koa wood), but for those that want it it's a new option.

 

[bavinck]

You would be the first person I've ever heard call the HD600s bass north of neutral. Most people would say it is a tad bass shy. The HD600 have been my reference cans for a year. I wouldn't call them bass enhanced.

To me the hd600 has mid bass north of neutral but lacks subbass. I think when most hd600 aficionados talk about the hd600 lacking bass a tad it is the subbass they mean, ime.

 

[bavinck]

I have the u5 with mam. I would say its bass with the mam is north of neutral for sure. The u5 is supposed to be similar to u10.

 

[PinkyPowers]

I've read the U8's treble is rolled off. Is this fact, or just the impression you get due to the bass being so elevated?

I'm used to Angie and Solar. Two different takes on treble, even though both use 4 BAs in that region. The Solar comes off brighter and more sparkly, Angie, though nice and extended, sounds less aggressive, smoother and lush.

Would I be happy with the U8's highs, coming from such IEMs, or is it truly rolled off?

 

[Brooko]

Hope you guys don't mind some fairly big posts as afar as graphics go.  I promised a couple of people I'd get some new measurements, and some of this will be interesting for you.
 
Measurement system
 
Vibro Veritas system, cheapish Startech sound-card (which works pretty well for measuring IEMs), FiiO E11K amplifier (clean, linear, and with a < 0.2 ohm output impedance).  The IEMs were measured with Crystal foam tips (they give me really consistent measurements which can be repeated and are consistent even months later).  Software used is the ARTA measurement system
 
Thanks to Ken Ball (ALO Audio / Campfire Audio) I've been able to get his full measurements of a pair of Novas which I was then able to measure myself.  His system uses two separate BK measurement systems (with ear simulators) which measure to an IEC 711 standard.  I've used his profiles to build a calibration curve so that mine now mimics the IEC 711 standard.  It won't be 100% accurate but will eb miles more accurate than the original Veritas recordings were (the calibration solves the issues with readings above 4 kHz).
 
What I've Measured
 

• I've remeasured the U6, measured the U10, and compared the two
• Measurements were with the S1, B1, new Asius G1, MAM (just fully opened or closed), and the new Apex M20 modules
• I also repeated the measurements - but using a 75 ohm impedance plug to look at the frequency changes as described by Chris and Videl.
• NOTE re the S1 vs B1 - the modules are recording very close to one another - so I'm not sure if one of my pairs is damaged.  I remember the original S1 as being a bit bassier.  Maybe the Adel modules have relaxed over time?  But both are showing same changes.  Something interesting to note anyway.

 
I'll split into 3 posts for the purposes of clarity and shortening the overall posts.

 

[Brooko]

U6 Measurements
 
OK - lets start off with a graph showing all filters - then look at what a 75 ohm additional impedance does, then finish with a couple of module comparisons.
 

 
U6 with all filters - interestingly, the Apex M20 has the most bass, and very closely mimics a closed MAM.  The new G1 very closely mimics a fully open MAM.
 

 
Here is the U6 with S1 module (light grey), and then the same module with a 75 ohm impedance adaptor (lower dark grey line).  The green line is volume matched (18 dB volume added) so you can see the effect of the adaptor (lowers the bass, and gives a small bump to the mid-range)
 

 
Here is the U6 with B1 module (dark blue), and then the same module with a 75 ohm impedance adaptor (lower light blue line).  The green line is volume matched (18 dB volume added) so you can see the effect of the adaptor (again lowers the bass, and gives a small bump to the mid-range)
 

 
Here is the U6 with new Asius G1 module (red), and then the same module with a 75 ohm impedance adaptor (lower magenta line).  The green line is volume matched (18 dB volume added) so you can see the effect of the adaptor (again lowers the bass, and gives an extra bump to the mid-range)
 

 
And here is the U6 with new Apex M20 module (orange), and then the same module with a 75 ohm impedance adaptor (lower pink line).  The green line is volume matched (18 dB volume added) so you can see the effect of the adaptor (once again lowers the bass, and gives an extra bump to the mid-range)
 

 
Here is the U6 with S1 and B1 curves compared. They are a lot closer than i remember.  It may be my S1 modules.  I remember them as a little bassier.
 

 
Here is the B1 vs the new Apex M20 module
 

 
Here is the B1, Apex M20 and MAM closed for comparison
 

 
Here is the B1 compared to the new G1
 

 
And here is the G1 vs the MAM fully open.  Pretty similar huh? I'll try and get photos of the IEMs and modules over the next couple of days (might light box isn't handy at the moment).

 

[Brooko]

U10 Measurements
 

 
Here is the U10 with all modules
 

 
Here is the U10 with S1 module (light grey), and then the same module with a 75 ohm impedance adaptor (lower dark grey line).  The green line is volume matched (19 dB volume added) so you can see the effect of the adaptor (lowers the bass, and gives a small bump to the mid-range)
 

 
Here is the U10 with B1 module (dark blue), and then the same module with a 75 ohm impedance adaptor (lower light blue line).  The green line is volume matched (19 dB volume added) so you can see the effect of the adaptor (again lowers the bass, and gives a small bump to the mid-range)
 

 
Here is the U10 with new Asius G1 module (red), and then the same module with a 75 ohm impedance adaptor (lower magenta line).  The green line is volume matched (19 dB volume added) so you can see the effect of the adaptor (again lowers the bass, and gives an extra bump to the mid-range)
 

 
And here is the U10 with new Apex M20 module (orange), and then the same module with a 75 ohm impedance adaptor (lower pink line).  The green line is volume matched (19 dB volume added) so you can see the effect of the adaptor (once again lowers the bass, and gives an extra bump to the mid-range)
 

 
Here is the B1, Apex M20 and MAM closed for comparison
 

 
Here is the B1 vs the new Apex M20 module
 

 
And here is the G1 vs the MAM fully open.  Again (like the U6) pretty similar.

 

[Brooko]

U6 vs U10
 
Lucky last - no impedance adaptors.  Just the U6 vs the U10 with various modules.  Sorry - but I won't be commenting on subjective impressions of the U10 just yet - as I'm only about 4 days in with them so far, I have to finish another review first, and TBH my opinions of them are still in flux (I need more time first).
 

 
U6 vs U10 - S1 module
 

 
U6 vs U10 - B1 module
 

 
U6 vs U10 - G1 module
 

 
U6 vs U10 - Apex module

 

[lukeap69]

I have my eyes on you @Brooko. I mean on your posts...

 

[EagleWings]