Fidelizer Pro - Real or Snake Oil?
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Jan 8, 2017 at 9:58 AM Post #421 of 683
  Is there anyone in this forum having decent CD transport to share your experience with? So far everyone who's been arguing with me avoided this topic somehow. If Fidelizer doesn't work, I wouldn't have received orders and feedback like everyday with no complaint at all.
 
Regards,
Keetakawee


Maybe because there's no need to. Relying on your ears, or anyone ears, to do the comparison isn't going to produce accurate results. In this case the claims are readily measurable, unlike say analog gear, where there are far too many variables to account for.
Generate 1kHz sine at -110dB, save as 24bit wave and compare results before and after Fidelizer from audio output without changing anything in your system. When nothing is detected, try with IMD 60Hz and 7kHz, etc.
 
To me it seems you're trying to fix a problem, which simply doesn't exist.
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Jan 8, 2017 at 10:04 AM Post #422 of 683
   
It's your product and your claims.  Get yourself a high end transport and the appropriate measuring equipment to vet them.
 
Relying on customer testimonials/subjective opinions in the absence of data isn't appropriate in the Sound Science forums.  This isn't the first time you've taken this approach - time to put up or move back to your product forum where everyone here has respectfully not challenged the validity of your Fidelizer claims.

 
I see. So science only cares about data so they can know everything without listening to any real highend equipment. Hmm....This sounds like a convenient plot for abusive data beggers. Keep in mind that I didn't make this topic to promote Fidelizer but someone accused my product with misleading information.
 
Regards,
Keetakawee
 
Jan 8, 2017 at 10:06 AM Post #423 of 683
 
Maybe because there's no need to. Relying on your ears, or anyone ears, to do the comparison isn't going to produce accurate results. In this case the claims are readily measurable, unlike say analog gear, where there are far too many variables to account for.
Generate 1kHz sine at -110dB, save as 24bit wave and compare results before and after Fidelizer from audio output without changing anything in your system. When nothing is detected, try with IMD 60Hz and 7kHz, etc.
 
To me it seems you're trying to fix a problem, which simply doesn't exist.
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1. Have you tried Fidelizer?
2. Do you have any decent CD transport in your possession?
 
It seems you're trying to draw a conclusion on things you have no experience about. What if you try using Fidelizer and notice the audio improvement?
 
Regards,
Keetakawee
 
Jan 8, 2017 at 10:28 AM Post #424 of 683
   
I see. Science only data so I can know everything without listening to any real highend equipment. Hmm....This sounds like a convenient plot for abusive data beggers. Keep in mind that I didn't make this topic to promote Fidelizer but someone accused my product with misleading information.
 
Regards,
Keetakawee

 
Semi serious question:
 
When you were taught about the Earth's gravitational field, did you feel the need to jump off a tall building to test it or was the data presented to you sufficient to accept given the amount of peer reviewed testing on the topic?
 
And bluntly, the only misleading information on Fidelizer I've seen has come from you.  Lot's of hand waving, anecdotal data, misunderstanding of PC/Windows design and network functionality.  
 
In the absence of your properly developed data validating audible improvements and with the existence of current peer reviewed data detailing audio reproduction performance via PC, the only possible conclusion is that Fidelizer is snake oil.  As others have stated, 10-15 years ago, there was a small percentage of PCs that might need optimization to be able to properly process audio.  You would have a very hard time finding one today.
 
And why do you keep assuming people who refute your unsupported claims haven't also heard high end equipment?  Those topics are not mutually exclusive - there are also  more than enough measurements of "high end" equipment to know that it, particularly for CD transports, provides no audible improvement over a properly built reasonably priced unit (which covers virtually all current transports).  
 
Jan 8, 2017 at 10:47 AM Post #425 of 683
   
Semi serious question:
 
When you were taught about the Earth's gravitational field, did you feel the need to jump off a tall building to test it or was the data presented to you sufficient to accept given the amount of peer reviewed testing on the topic?
 
And bluntly, the only misleading information on Fidelizer I've seen has come from you.  Lot's of hand waving, anecdotal data, misunderstanding of PC/Windows design and network functionality.  
 
In the absence of your properly developed data validating audible improvements and with the existence of current peer reviewed data detailing audio reproduction performance via PC, the only possible conclusion is that Fidelizer is snake oil.  As others have stated, 10-15 years ago, there was a small percentage of PCs that might need optimization to be able to properly process audio.  You would have a very hard time finding one today.
 
And why do you keep assuming people who refute your unsupported claims haven't also heard high end equipment?  Those topics are not mutually exclusive - there are also  more than enough measurements of "high end" equipment to know that it, particularly for CD transports, provides no audible improvement over a properly built reasonably priced unit (which covers virtually all current transports).  

 
All I asked is trying to throw apple up and see if it falls down with gravitational force as I suggest, not throwing yourself from top of skyscraper building. I studied a lot in digital audio, data communication classes, talk with dCS and Weiss specialists about digital audio. Many knowledge from real tests and from people who's involved with may make no sense but all came from real test result that can't be shared through few statements.
 
I build products for many professional audio specialists to use, some even use Fidelizer as infrastructure product to ensure stability. If it makes no sense, you should have seen one complaint from my customers in communities. Yet you see none. Do you think it's possible to sell over 1800 license without having a single customer complaining about ineffective product if it really doesn't work?
 
Regards.
Keetakawee
 
Jan 8, 2017 at 11:11 AM Post #426 of 683
  
Semi serious question:
 
When you were taught about the Earth's gravitational field, did you feel the need to jump off a tall building to test it or was the data presented to you sufficient to accept given the amount of peer reviewed testing on the topic?
 
And bluntly, the only misleading information on Fidelizer I've seen has come from you.  Lot's of hand waving, anecdotal data, misunderstanding of PC/Windows design and network functionality.  
 
In the absence of your properly developed data validating audible improvements and with the existence of current peer reviewed data detailing audio reproduction performance via PC, the only possible conclusion is that Fidelizer is snake oil.  As others have stated, 10-15 years ago, there was a small percentage of PCs that might need optimization to be able to properly process audio.  You would have a very hard time finding one today.
 
And why do you keep assuming people who refute your unsupported claims haven't also heard high end equipment?  Those topics are not mutually exclusive - there are also  more than enough measurements of "high end" equipment to know that it, particularly for CD transports, provides no audible improvement over a properly built reasonably priced unit (which covers virtually all current transports).  

 
All I asked is trying to throw apple up and see if it falls down with gravitational force as I suggest, not throwing yourself from top of skyscraper building. I studied a lot in digital audio, data communication classes, talk with dCS and Weiss specialists about digital audio. Many knowledge from real tests and from people who's involved with may make no sense but all came from real test result that can't be shared through few statements.
 
I build products for many professional audio specialists to use, some even use Fidelizer as infrastructure product to ensure stability. If it makes no sense, you should have seen one complaint from my customers in communities. Yet you see none. Do you think it's possible to sell over 1800 license without having a single customer complaining about ineffective product if it really doesn't work?
 
Regards.
Keetakawee


I certainly believe you could sell licenses with no complaints given that anyone with a reasonable understanding of how modern Windows PCs and networks operate would never consider purchasing Fidelizer. Same business model as the "high end" cable manufacturers.

You keep referring to "real tests" and professional audio specialists who use your product. Yet you haven't produced the data from these tests or named any of the professionals you state utilize your product.

I'm (once again) off this merry go round. When you have something objective to post, I'd be happy to rejoin and discuss tangible data.
 
Jan 8, 2017 at 11:12 AM Post #427 of 683
   
Yes. It's resource scheduling optimizations not process scheduling optimizations. It doesn't only solve audio skipping issues but also improve sound quality with reduced digital glare problems. If you're audiophile listening to music from decent CD transport and vinyls, you may find computer audio sounding harsh and doesn't sound close to real sound. Fidelizer will improve the situation making it closer to real sound performance.
 
It looks like you're 'bits are bits' believer so you probably don't own any decent CD transport to compare with yet. It's not surprising if you find it hard to believe without actual experience to realize. I recommend you to try using free version and see if you can notice improvement first before passing any judgement.
 
Regards,
Keetakawee

 
"Digital glare"?!?
The device downstream, given a format and bitrate, needs to receive a given amount of bytes per second, in order to continuously play.
And if it does not get it, the effect are clearly audible with audio skipping. No guessing necessary.
There's no "glare" if a device is left starving of data dowstream.
Glare, is on of those intentionally vague term coined to trick a user in believing he needs something he really doesn't.
 
As for me, I am 100% confident I have no audio skips, so I am 100% confident your software will do nothing.
That, and the fact I am not using Windows 
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And for a modern Linux distro, if you ever had audio skip issues, there's a configuration which tells the priority to run the Pulse Audio server to.
But again, you've got to have pretty old HW, or major load on your system, in order to make audio skip these days.
 
Jan 8, 2017 at 11:27 AM Post #428 of 683

I certainly believe you could sell licenses with no complaints given that anyone with a reasonable understanding of how modern Windows PCs and networks operate would never consider purchasing Fidelizer. Same business model as the "high end" cable manufacturers.

You keep referring to "real tests" and professional audio specialists who use your product. Yet you haven't produced the data from these tests or named any of the professionals you state utilize your product.

I'm (once again) off this merry go round. When you have something objective to post, I'd be happy to rejoin and discuss tangible data.

 
What you're asking is like
 
"Bring me the photo from the end of the world and I'll see if it has cliff falling off from earth or not."
 
I did show others but it's like
 
"Here's photo from outer space to see the world is quite round."
 
And you tell me like
 
"What is outer space? That's fantasy. Bring me something more tangible."
 
I respect your opinion but sorry that I can't meet up to your expectation. 
 
   
"Digital glare"?!?
The device downstream, given a format and bitrate, needs to receive a given amount of bytes per second, in order to continuously play.
And if it does not get it, the effect are clearly audible with audio skipping. No guessing necessary.
There's no "glare" if a device is left starving of data dowstream.
Glare, is on of those intentionally vague term coined to trick a user in believing he needs something he really doesn't.
 
As for me, I am 100% confident I have no audio skips, so I am 100% confident your software will do nothing.
That, and the fact I am not using Windows 
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And for a modern Linux distro, if you ever had audio skip issues, there's a configuration which tells the priority to run the Pulse Audio server to.
But again, you've got to have pretty old HW, or major load on your system, in order to make audio skip these days.

 
Digital glare is the problem with audiophiles who's familiar with better audio sources like analog vinyls or highend digital sources. Once you get the taste of better wine, some can't feel satisfied with lesser wine they used to enjoy anymore. Here's some testimonials with digital glare related comments.
 
http://www.fidelizer-audio.com/added-testimonial-from-marios-petrou/
http://www.fidelizer-audio.com/added-testimonial-from-radek-matusewicz/
http://www.fidelizer-audio.com/added-testimonial-from-rick-ursberg/
 
If you don't have issue listening to digital audio system you have now, you may not need to worry about such case and put Fidelizer off the table. It's pointless trying to draw conclusion about product without actual experience. I used to do that and now I feel ashamed about my foolish past self full of prejudge and biases.
 
Regards,
Keetakawee
 
Jan 8, 2017 at 12:04 PM Post #429 of 683
   
What you're asking is like
 
"Bring me the photo from the end of the world and I'll see if it has cliff falling off from earth or not."
 
I did show others but it's like
 
"Here's photo from outer space to see the world is quite round."
 
And you tell me like
 
"What is outer space? That's fantasy. Bring me something more tangible."
 
I respect your opinion but sorry that I can't meet up to your expectation. 
 
 
Digital glare is the problem with audiophiles who's familiar with better audio sources like analog vinyls or highend digital sources. Once you get the taste of better wine, some can't feel satisfied with lesser wine they used to enjoy anymore. Here's some testimonials with digital glare related comments.
 
http://www.fidelizer-audio.com/added-testimonial-from-marios-petrou/
http://www.fidelizer-audio.com/added-testimonial-from-radek-matusewicz/
http://www.fidelizer-audio.com/added-testimonial-from-rick-ursberg/
 
If you don't have issue listening to digital audio system you have now, you may not need to worry about such case and put Fidelizer off the table. It's pointless trying to draw conclusion about product without actual experience. I used to do that and now I feel ashamed about my foolish past self full of prejudge and biases.
 
Regards,
Keetakawee

 
Oh, I remember the Digital Glare thing, at the time, 20 years ago or so, when vinyl people were trying to keep users off digital.
The same folks branding the Digital Glare were the ones which miserably failed to detect a A/D -> D/A step during a listening test 
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The latest traces of Digital Glare mentions, were found in a jurassic park near the Fiji islands 
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But whatever Digital Glare was, given the clear statements in your home page, your system is not going to address it.
The only thing it tries to do, is to solve audio skip issues, and those are as clear as nighttime thunders to a user.
No need to resort to SCAM prone terms like Digital Glare.
 
Jan 8, 2017 at 12:35 PM Post #430 of 683
   
Oh, I remember the Digital Glare thing, at the time, 20 years ago or so, when vinyl people were trying to keep users off digital.
The same folks branding the Digital Glare were the ones which miserably failed to detect a A/D -> D/A step during a listening test 
rolleyes.gif

The latest traces of Digital Glare mentions, were found in a jurassic park near the Fiji islands 
biggrin.gif

 
But whatever Digital Glare was, given the clear statements in your home page, your system is not going to address it.
The only thing it tries to do, is to solve audio skip issues, and those are as clear as nighttime thunders to a user.
No need to resort to SCAM prone terms like Digital Glare.

 
At least I'm glad to hear some positive consensus from you. Fidelizer is trying to improve audio performance, getting stable lower latency audio, reduce stuttering chance and improve sound quality with less digital audio problems. If you have opportunity to use Windows audio in future, feel free to try Fidelizer. :)
 
Regards,
Keetakawee
 
Jan 8, 2017 at 1:37 PM Post #431 of 683

 
Jan 8, 2017 at 2:39 PM Post #432 of 683
Is there anyone in this forum having decent CD transport to share your experience with? So far everyone who's been arguing with me avoided this topic somehow. If Fidelizer doesn't work, I wouldn't have received orders and feedback like everyday with no complaint at all.

Regards,
Keetakawee


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Jan 8, 2017 at 3:06 PM Post #433 of 683
Jan 8, 2017 at 7:39 PM Post #434 of 683
Running a 3770k at 4.5ghz/16gb ddr3 2400mhz/gtx1080/ssd. Audiowise it's a cambridge dac magic plus to valhalla 2 to hd800's. I tried the free version but did not hear an audible difference. Although i did some researched and found someone on reddit who said it worked and when i asked him he said the paid version was a big upgrade and that it was more of a difference than from going from no fidelizer to free (which i saw no real difference).
Would be good if there was a immediate on/off toggle which would make it easy to compare or a time trial for the pro version.
 
I'm going to try the pro version however as i respect your work, offtopic and i've said it before but your windows vista transformation pack is what got me first tinkering around with computers when i was a kid giving me a hobby then a career. Then after getting into computers i got into audio and wound up finding your work again. Probably don't hear it too often but as a content creator you can definitely change someone's life.
 
Jan 9, 2017 at 1:11 AM Post #435 of 683
  Running a 3770k at 4.5ghz/16gb ddr3 2400mhz/gtx1080/ssd. Audiowise it's a cambridge dac magic plus to valhalla 2 to hd800's. I tried the free version but did not hear an audible difference. Although i did some researched and found someone on reddit who said it worked and when i asked him he said the paid version was a big upgrade and that it was more of a difference than from going from no fidelizer to free (which i saw no real difference).
Would be good if there was a immediate on/off toggle which would make it easy to compare or a time trial for the pro version.
 
I'm going to try the pro version however as i respect your work, offtopic and i've said it before but your windows vista transformation pack is what got me first tinkering around with computers when i was a kid giving me a hobby then a career. Then after getting into computers i got into audio and wound up finding your work again. Probably don't hear it too often but as a content creator you can definitely change someone's life.

 
Glad to see old fan since Vista Transformation Pack. What audio player are you using? You can try using foobar2000 with suggested optimizations in user guide here. It may help you notice the improvement better.
 
http://www.fidelizer-audio.com/user-guide/
 
Regards,
Keetakawee
 
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