DIY Earbuds
Oct 14, 2016 at 7:44 AM Post #76 of 4,721
What are the cost of components for high end earbuds? My observations, assumptions and questions. Please correct me where I'm wrong:

Cable - cables can cost over $100 but like the monster cable there's really not much difference between a $10 silver coated cable and a $100 cable aside from aesthetics, etc. 

Shell - generic earbud plastic shell cost around $1. 
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/DIY-ear-ear-PK1-2-3-4-shell-cavity-fever-ears-headphones-hifi-headphones-bass-PK/323026_32348950463.html
Custom injection molding costs much more and requires a big production run to get the per unit cost down. With 3D printing,  custom plastic shells can be created for 10x the cost of mass produced is my guesstimate.

Sound dampening material - for tuning, less than $1 per earbud?

Driver - the most important component. Very good single dynamic drivers cost $10 or less.
In high end earbuds specialty drivers are used. Do makers of high end DIY earbuds design and manufacture their own drivers? 
Manufacturing - in low quantities, the cost must be significant.

Tuning and design - perhaps the most important attribute and difficult to put quantify in terms of cost.

Resistors and Capacitors - I'm not sure if used in earbuds.

Manufacturing - the cost for low volume custom /DIY it must be high relative to component cost. But for DIY projects there is no "cost" because building the earbud is actually fun, hence this thread.


Regarding drivers, I know that Blox make their own drivers. At least for the high end earbuds such as TM7. The new upcoming flagship earbud will also have a driver specifically made by the people at Blox (I think there aren't that many working there which is why they only release small batches of their earbuds).
Blox uses cheap cables that do the job but nothing more.

Edimun V3 which is sold by Bengkel Macro in Indonesia uses an Edifier driver that is retuned so that it sounds different. The cable is quite nice and much better than the ones that Blox use.
 
Oct 19, 2016 at 6:34 AM Post #77 of 4,721
If anyone's interested, found a store that sells KZ pre-fab cable in either qty's of 1, 5 or 10. However, 2x 5 is cheaper than 1x 10...
 
Having had some KZ stuff, the wire can be somewhat sticky, but it seems to be well built and sound good.
 
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/5Pcs-lot-KZ-1-2m-Gold-plated-3-5mm-3-pole-Jack-LC-OFC-56-Strands/32693046349.html
 
Oct 19, 2016 at 6:50 AM Post #78 of 4,721
  If anyone's interested, found a store that sells KZ pre-fab cable in either qty's of 1, 5 or 10. However, 2x 5 is cheaper than 1x 10...
 
Having had some KZ stuff, the wire can be somewhat sticky, but it seems to be well built and sound good.
 
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/5Pcs-lot-KZ-1-2m-Gold-plated-3-5mm-3-pole-Jack-LC-OFC-56-Strands/32693046349.html

vapman, you may consider these too, terminations looks good..
my order has not come yet..
 
Oct 19, 2016 at 6:04 PM Post #79 of 4,721
I did the @ozkan SHE3800 mod tonight. Didn't have any Bluetack at home. Instead used Loctite and some unscientifically measured and roughly cut cotton ball fiber.The result is great. The bass gets tamed and the highs suddenly appear. Better detail and slightly wider sound stage. This compared to the stock ones. Both with Monk plus thin foams.
 
Makes you wonder why we pay top dollar for some buds, when a mod that the a three year old kid (as well as a middle aged guy with no previous experience) can perform at the sofa table while sipping a glass of wine can make such a difference. Three year old kids should not sip wine tho.
 
I'm all ready for more bud mods to try out! I should try it out my FAAEALs. I don't enjoy the muffled stock sound on them, but I only have one of each, so I can't compare if I do the mod.
 
Edit. One should probably not use Loctite for modding ear buds. I read the warning label today, and it says "May cause sensitisation by skin contact ... avoid contact with skin and eyes". Probably not the best product to use in you ears.
 
I'll just get me some Bluetack instead.
 
Oct 20, 2016 at 2:58 AM Post #80 of 4,721
  I did the @ozkan SHE3800 mod tonight. Didn't have any Bluetack at home. Instead used Loctite and some unscientifically measured and roughly cut cotton ball fiber.The result is great. The bass gets tamed and the highs suddenly appear. Better detail and slightly wider sound stage. This compared to the stock ones. Both with Monk plus thin foams.
 
Makes you wonder why we pay top dollar for some buds, when a mod that the a three year old kid (as well as a middle aged guy with no previous experience) can perform at the sofa table while sipping a glass of wine can make such a difference. Three year old kids should not sip wine tho.
 
I'm all ready for more bud mods to try out! I should try it out my FAAEALs. I don't enjoy the muffled stock sound on them, but I only have one of each, so I can't compare if I do the mod.



You crazy göteborgare! Mixing wine and earbud modding!   :wink:


I'm almost tempted to get the SHE3800, but then I might find it difficult to justify hunting down TOTL earbuds...

By the way, has anyone opened up a pair of Blox earbuds? I suppose the front piece is not glued firmly? I bought 2 cables to recable my pair of Aiwa HP V99. One braided black cable and one that looks a lot like the one on black Tomahawk. Blox TM7 has got a pretty cheap cable so I was thinking that I might recable that as well with the cable that is left after I've done the Aiwas. Haven't decided on the Blox yet though...
 
Oct 20, 2016 at 3:02 AM Post #81 of 4,721
 

By the way, has anyone opened up a pair of Blox earbuds? I suppose the front piece is not glued firmly? I bought 2 cables to recable my pair of Aiwa HP V99. One braided black cable and one that looks a lot like the one on black Tomahawk. Blox TM7 has got a pretty cheap cable so I was thinking that I might recable that as well with the cable that is left after I've done the Aiwas. Haven't decided on the Blox yet though...

I'm doing my BE5 with that KZ cable I posted soon, will take pics during the whole process (maybe a video if i can find somewhere to put the phone camera for the whole thing.) The Blox cable is just too junk to pass up replacing.
 
Oct 20, 2016 at 3:11 AM Post #82 of 4,721
 

You crazy göteborgare! Mixing wine and earbud modding!   :wink:


I'm almost tempted to get the SHE3800, but then I might find it difficult to justify hunting down TOTL earbuds...

By the way, has anyone opened up a pair of Blox earbuds? I suppose the front piece is not glued firmly? I bought 2 cables to recable my pair of Aiwa HP V99. Blox TM7 has got a pretty cheap cable so I was thinking that I might recable that as well. Haven't decided yet though...


Some Russian did it with a TM7, you can check here: http://alexmod.do.am/forum/32-228-1 - if you can open a VE Monk probably you can open your Blox as well there is not much to be worried just don't put much pressure on it, do that like Jack Black, gently.
 
 
Oct 20, 2016 at 6:42 AM Post #83 of 4,721
  vapman, you may consider these too, terminations looks good..
my order has not come yet..

 
lol, one day delayed edit :D
 
this is the link;
 
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/NAOI-YK1-3-5MM-1-2M-Earphone-Cable-Accessories-Diy-Headphone-Audio-Wire-Repair-Upgrade-Single/32684351750.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.yNl26q
 
Oct 20, 2016 at 7:04 AM Post #85 of 4,721
Oct 20, 2016 at 7:09 AM Post #86 of 4,721
I wonder if anyone knows why there are 4 wires (2+ and 2-) in each cable?

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Guhe-6NOCC-silver-plated-wire-high-quality-DIY-weave-Headphone-cable-Earphone-audio-cable-repair-upgrade/32747265383.html?spm=2114.13010208.99999999.415.7E4bmy

I was thinking of buying this for the Aiwas, the black and gold goes well together with the original color scheme. But the thing with 4 wires on each side, 8 in total, made me go for other cables.


That is super weird. I have not seen one on ali yet with more than one pair per side...
 
Oct 20, 2016 at 7:13 AM Post #87 of 4,721
  I wonder if anyone knows why there are 4 wires (2+ and 2-) in each cable?

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Guhe-6NOCC-silver-plated-wire-high-quality-DIY-weave-Headphone-cable-Earphone-audio-cable-repair-upgrade/32747265383.html?spm=2114.13010208.99999999.415.7E4bmy
 
I was thinking of buying this for the Aiwas, the black and gold goes well together with the original color scheme. But the thing with 4 wires on each side, 8 in total, made me go for other cables.

 
Danneq, what about this for Aiwas?
 
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3-5mm-Silver-plated-high-quality-DIY-weave-Headphone-cable-Earphone-audio-cable-repair-upgrade-wire/32682243100.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.yNl26q
 
i ordered one for these 300 ohm drivers;
 
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/mx500-driver-15-4mm-speaker-unit-300ohms-send-mx500-shell/32599219535.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.yNl26q
 
Oct 20, 2016 at 7:20 AM Post #89 of 4,721
  I wonder if anyone knows why there are 4 wires (2+ and 2-) in each cable?

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Guhe-6NOCC-silver-plated-wire-high-quality-DIY-weave-Headphone-cable-Earphone-audio-cable-repair-upgrade/32747265383.html?spm=2114.13010208.99999999.415.7E4bmy
 
I was thinking of buying this for the Aiwas, the black and gold goes well together with the original color scheme. But the thing with 4 wires on each side, 8 in total, made me go for other cables.


It's an 8-way braid moulded into the black plastic cabling. Better noise rejection than the more common 4-way braid. I think the Tingo cable is a 4-way braid (exposed).
 
Interesting, I think will get myself one as well. Most 8-ways are exposed and quite thick.
 
Just short out the same colours when soldering.
 
Oct 20, 2016 at 7:20 AM Post #90 of 4,721
Too bad that it was the only cable with the same color scheme as V99. 

I went with a more conservative choice since I want to try to keep close to the original colors (mainly black and possibly gold if I can find it).

Similar to the cable on Tomahawk:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/diy-upgrade-Bass-stereo-headphone-wire-fever-UE-silver-plated-single-crystal-copper-Fully-compatible-High/32288521863.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.HgGc6z

Nice braided cable:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/UE-four-shares-Weave-Single-crystal-copper-wire-UE-wire/32288225069.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.HgGc6z
 
 
I might go with the braided one, despite silver plated not being mentioned in the title of the listing. The cable looks nice and is surely a huge step up from the current cable. If the stock cable still had been there on the Aiwas I would not have bothered with replacing, but I want to get rid of this cheap, short and crappy cable...
 

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