I have two PFE's (the girlfried actually has one of those) and agree with the review. Very nice. I've checked all three filters against various music. One observation: some of the more 'out there' John Coltrane solos can make you wince on any IEM...the green filters make them easier on the ears...

My girlfried was so impressed with my $139 Phonak PFE's, she wanted me to get her something...just not as expensive. Research met happenstance and I found the M6 on Woot! for $29 + shipping. She loves the M6...and whats more, I do to! So much so, that rather than take my PFE's out on my...

  Quote:   I would hardly call it being 'quick to judge'. When you say you don't even know if it has a Line-Out...it should kind of make one wonder if you even have one...or if you do, just how familiar with it you are...and therefore how qualified your opinion on it is. But, no harm...

Quote: LOL! You diss the Clips and then apparently admit you don't have one or if you do, can't tell if it has a line out!   Seriouly, It's a great little player - I have 3 Cliips and 1 Fuze. Better sound than the new generation iTouch we have. I name no names, but do notice people...

I picked up some MEElectonics M6 for my girlfriend recently (Woot!) and have to say that they  really make Jazz recordings from the late 50's - to late 60's (Coltrane, Mingus, etc) ...some of the poorer recordings sound much more enjoyable than the headphones I generally use that cost 5 times...

timar, I assume you are in Germany. I sent an email to Phonak over a week ago, and it was answered by someone at HearingPlanet, Inc. here in Nashville. He said:   Green filters will likely not be available as a stand alone product for sometime as existing capacity is being used to produce...

"I am seriously confused"   That is why you are here.  No, not become 'un-confused', of course - to revel in it!  

Quote: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS   Seems like there are still issues. And do I read this right, you can't charge via the USB? I have no wall charger.  

Ummm...correct me if I am wrong, but is there a truly stable version yet? The last I read people kept having all kinds of issues with rockboxing it. I have an 8GB Clip and 2 4BG Clip+'s and I'd like to try rockboxing one.

Quote: Still not on their website. I got my PFE's about 2 weeks ago, with the black filters they are just about perfect for what I listen to most. I'd love to try out the new 'green' filters though. While I do not use an amp, I am guessing the green filters might work better with an amp?  

I've been researching these here since I saw the Woot earlier. You will find some threads if you search. Essentially the same as the 390. The 490 was their first headphone.

Quote:   No...but then I was talking about your initally recommending the DBA-02's and the apparent need of the OP for better than average isolation which you missed in addition to his needing them soon....not the MTP Golds.

Quote: Not only that, he didn't notice that you said isolation was important and the review by ClieOS says they are below average in that department. Flavor of the month you know...   http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/450407/multiple-iem-shootout-v-3 I would suggest looking at...

Quote: That's what I am thinking...and why I ask such questions. I am entertaining the Phonak and the DBA-02 and since they are close to the same price, it's a toss-up for me...just trying to pick peoples brains as to if Jazz with it's often  at times sparse...

Quote: "Hard Hitting"? I listen to a lot of Jazz and, I think was as...can't recall his name, 'Piano' seemed to be in the handle he uses, mentioned that when someone uses terms like 'punchy' or maybe he said 'hard hitting' or agressive (I should have bookmarked the thread) to beware...

Quote: Fair enough and if I get the this one, I'll definitely have to go out of my way to get some other eartips. I'll just leave it at this and say that I can't see how you can give the phone itself a perfect 5 stars on the treble given this issue. 4 1/2 would seem more fair.

Quote: This keeps botheing me a bit, the 'harshness on the upper region'. I can always EQ bass up a little if a phone is slightly lacking...but, I don't know, can you reasonably EQ out harshness - at least without hurting the clarity? I know it must not be too terribly bad our it would...

Quote: Agreed about numeric rankings...all the more reason to revamp your system and chose 1-10 instead (?)...that would give you more room.   You mention that the DBA-02 had "better resolution and more dynamic than Phonak"...must be pretty good since in the Phonak review you said...

SQ: 6.3 Ummm....almost seems like you were trying to intentionally shoe-horn these in between the Phonak's and the Ortofon's.   I could never shell out that kind of $$ for the Ortofon but the Phonak which is about the same price makes for an interesting comparison vs the DBA-02 -...

Quote:   So, I take it that these may not be good phones for much  'classic' rock and jazz CD's? Say Jass from the '58 - '66 unless perhaps they have been remastered..  

Yes, very nice review. I got a lot out of it. I just wish they were a bit cheaper...some apparently very good phones out there or about to come out which are cheaper. Still, I might spring for these in the end.

No 'hiss' or at a reasonable level?   and what does HP out mean?

26 pages...so I may have missed what I was looking for:   For your average portable music players, say the Sansa Clip or Fuze (I have both) how does these sound? I personally like the stock buds with some EQ, but am looking for a good IEM. In particular, without any amping. Would anyone know?

You don't seriously expect someone to check more than the first two or three pages do you? LOL....

Such an astute observation...at 3x the price, I should hope so!