Quote: Originally Posted by obobskivich i agree with blueyez in his response to bjojojojojojoj, doubt bjojojojojojoj will listen though I am indeed truly sorry if I have provoked or offended you by trying to make up my own mind on what approach to use when evaluating gear...

Quote: Originally Posted by olblueyez Why? Would it not be more enjoyable to set up a system that just sounds good to you? Even if that is "neutral". Well, perhaps it is so, but in my experience what is found enjoyable after a limited period of listening may very well prove not...

Quote: Originally Posted by gregorio In answer to the question, yes, it is possible to get pretty damn close but not with cans and not easily. Obviously with cans, you are to an extent filtering out room acoustics. The commercial quality album was almost certainly not mixed on or...

Quote: Originally Posted by Nightmare What the OP asked about was how to evaluate gear for its accuracy in reproducing a recording. Obviously, a truly signature-less system is currently impossible, but a listener can work toward that end of the spectrum. This is different than working...

Quote: Originally Posted by Nightmare Not exactly. It's not about looking for improvements, it's about looking for contrasts. Sorry if that sounds like a nitpick, but the difference is important, and it makes for a far less subjective evaluation. The article's main contention is (I'm...

Quote: Originally Posted by obobskivich based on that you're asking for a "neutral reference that must be truly neutral to appreciate all genres of music", even after being told such a thing doesn't exist, cannot exist, and that you'll always be limited by the recording and that...

Quote: Originally Posted by obobskivich and see I couldn't disagree more, and view the K701 as the ideal reference, so we've also got to consider personal preference here I think the OP has zero idea what he's asking for, what he's talking about, and very little to no experience with...

Quote: Originally Posted by obobskivich oh, I understand what its getting at, basically instead of picking your favorite 2 or 3 test tracks, listen to the majority of your catalog, see which shows an improvement "overall" its basically law of large #'s logic honestly thats how I...

Quote: Originally Posted by what? invite a friend over to sing and play their acoustic guitar for a while and record it. ask your friend to play the same music on the guitar while you listen to the recording on your 'rig' life headphones on and off, if things dont sound very close...

Quote: Originally Posted by Nightmare Basically, the article contends that the traditional "comparison by reference" method of evaluation is flawed because its main criteria is the listener's preconceptions of how the music should sound. The problem is, we as listeners don't have enough...

Scompton & Slackboy: Thanks, had not thought of that, but I'll definitely check out the pro equipment then!

Quote: Originally Posted by Slackboy72 If you want neutral stop looking for 'audiophile' rubbish. The most neutral stuff you can get is Dynaudio, Mackie and Genelec. If you haven't heard of them then you haven't been in a recording studio. This stuff is professional gear and made for...

Thanks for the posts! I'm currently on a gathering-of-money-quest, which is quite boring, but that bordedom will eventually transform into joyous music-hearing (hopefully). When that quest is finished I will go on another one involving a lot of listening to different HPs and amps and when I've...

Real interesting thoughts you've got going there. Seems spot on to me! I want to clarify what I mean by neutral: I want the sound coming out of my hp/speakers to be as true to the information on the source material as possible, since everything that happened before the cd (eg) was finalized...

Thanks for your feedback! The reason I want a non-colouring system is that I listen to so many genres and I think a neutral system should suit all kinds of music. The recording aspect is as it is, but I want the recorded sound to come out of my hp/speakers as it was recorded. That should be...

Decided to start a new thread on the neutrality matter, as I don't want to rip this thread.

I would like to set up an audio system that is as neutral as possible (neutral as in exact reproduction of the recording), but how do I conclude that a given component is in fact neutral? Is it even possible? Can neutral in an audio context ever be objective, or is it all a matter of subjective...

Quote: Originally Posted by haloxt neutral sound is sometimes described as a cymbal sounding exactly like a cymbal. A person's memory of what a instrument should sound like can come from listening to a very good sound system but can also just come from the actual instrument being heard...

Quote: Originally Posted by DayoftheGreek I think reviews have a large amount of both useful and useless information. You have to be able to accurately wade through the incredibly subjective parts to find what you want. Some things are pretty universally accepted and those are the...

This thread is turning out to be extremely interesting to follow! Units arriving, initial impressions, discussion on the burn-in phenomenon. Beats any thriller known to mankind While we're (you're) at it, how do you evaluate the sound character of audio gear? What I mean is that there is so...

Quote: Originally Posted by Pricklely Peete What ? .........your 1st post at head fi .....you only have 1 chance to make a 1st impression my Grandmother always said......way to go Sven !!!! Les....I don't know why your commentary brings out the loons but it's a either a gift or a...

Quote: Originally Posted by les_garten I've only sought answers to questions, and any hype had to be clarified. This is a forum, and you can't run the hype stuff here and expect it to go unquestioned. As some may have noticed, I can be called all the names you want, and I'm still going...