Burson Supreme Sound Audio V5-OPA-D,V5-OPA-S Review
Dec 31, 2016 at 10:19 PM Post #151 of 173
Where do you find the Burson OpAmaps for sale?
 
I've checked the Burson retailer list and they either only have Burson "large" products or don't list anything at all.
 
Checking eBay didn't turn up anything either.
 
I'd like to upgrade my HT Omega Claro Halo card but finding just the op amps for sale is proving quite a challenge?
 
Jan 1, 2017 at 2:52 AM Post #153 of 173
  Where do you find the Burson OpAmaps for sale?
 
I've checked the Burson retailer list and they either only have Burson "large" products or don't list anything at all.
 
Checking eBay didn't turn up anything either.
 
I'd like to upgrade my HT Omega Claro Halo card but finding just the op amps for sale is proving quite a challenge?

 
Go to Burson product page and choose what op-amp you want to buy. In the op-amp page, scroll down and you will see purchase section
 
However, If you can find their Distributor in your areas, you can save money (shipping fee) and shipping time. Go to the retailers page and select region (America, Asia...),  check if your country in the list
 
https://www.bursonaudio.com/retailers/
 
Jan 1, 2017 at 3:27 AM Post #154 of 173
   
Go to Burson product page and choose what op-amp you want to buy. In the op-amp page, scroll down and you will see purchase section
 
However, If you can find their Distributor in your areas, you can save money (shipping fee) and shipping time. Go to the retailers page and select region (America, Asia...),  check if your country in the list
 
https://www.bursonaudio.com/retailers/

 
Thanks!  I didn't see the purchase option at the bottom on the Burson site.
 
I just rechecked every retailer in the U.S. and none of them list the OpAmps for sale.  About 1/3rd of the sites are little more that static "brochures" while the other only offer a couple of the Burson "finished" products.
 
I'm debating if it's worth spending $280 + shipping for the Opamp V5 or $158 + Shipping for the V5i to upgrade my sound card.
 
I could get a Schiit Magni 2 Uber for less....
 
Jan 2, 2017 at 2:34 AM Post #156 of 173
Hello James, 
 
Just found http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f8-general-forum/burson-audio-supreme-op-amps-4th-gen-ht-omega-claro-halo-project-22536/, http://www.head-fi.org/t/364721/ht-omega-claro-halo-headphone-only-soundcard/360 and http://www.head-fi.org/t/784790/burson-supreme-sound-audio-v5-opa-d-v5-opa-s-review/15#post_12020355. Looks like both SS V4 and SS V5 can fit in there, of course V5i will fit too.
 
Anyway, like you said before, price of the opamps might be bigger than price of the audio card itself. First of all you need to understand that default 4580 opamps are really low-noise opamps and sonic differences between originals and swapped opamps might be inaudible! If you really want to upgrade 4580 opamps and get a bit cheaper too, you can swap them with MUSES8820/8920 as follow: 8920 for I/V stage and 8820 for LPF and BUFFERS.
 
I'm not sure what's I/V, LPF and output BUFFER on your HALO card, but from the pictures I'd say that, starting to count from left to right of the card (where left is the TPA6120), 1st and 3rd opamps are used for LowPassFilter, 2nd one for I/V and 4th one don't know...perhaps output buffer? If I'm right then you can use them in this order: MUSES8820, MUSES8920, MUSES8820, MUSES8820. Of course, you can aim for MUSES01 and MUSES02 too or just go for the BURSONs, it all depends on how much money you want to invest/spend in this upgrade.
 
Good luck! 
 
Jan 12, 2017 at 9:34 PM Post #157 of 173
I've just finished the 200 hours break-in of my 2nd set of 3xV5 duals only to confirm my previous findings: Unless I let them cook for 500-600 hours (followed by about a month of regular use....), no way I'm getting that warm, sweet, full tone they bring when they finally settle.  For now, all I get is a harsh and cold signal, and a dose of....debris!
 
Therefore, whoever starts this process, be (very) patience to enjoy the reward!
 
Jan 13, 2017 at 10:29 AM Post #158 of 173
  I've just finished the 200 hours break-in of my 2nd set of 3xV5 duals only to confirm my previous findings: Unless I let them cook for 500-600 hours (followed by about a month of regular use....), no way I'm getting that warm, sweet, full tone they bring when they finally settle.  For now, all I get is a harsh and cold signal, and a dose of....debris!
 
Therefore, whoever starts this process, be (very) patience to enjoy the reward!

 
What you mean debris?
 
Jan 13, 2017 at 10:55 AM Post #159 of 173
   
What you mean debris?


Grain
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Jan 16, 2017 at 2:59 AM Post #160 of 173
Just posted my first review for Burson Audio after being selected to review their entire V5 line and their new audio cable is coming up! 
 
http://www.head-fi.org/products/burson-audio-supreme-sound-opamp-v5/reviews/17827
 
or you can read it on my new website here: https://zosoncsu.com/reviews/

I just launched this site a few months back and I have been trying to find time to put towards it. This review was the first real work I had to add lately, but I plan to add engineering projects throughout the semester to the site and my side projects, like a completely custom tube amp.
 

 
 
 
The review is 3/4 completed, but right in the home stretch I had a failure and I am working with Burson Audio and FiiO to figure out the issue so I can continue. In the mean time I have promised Burson Audio a full-length video review of their op-amps so I have been playing around with how to compare these op-amps in an analytic way. 

The best thing I came up with so far was this, but I need something more than just reading my written review as a narrative to this video and pictures.

 

(All images/videos are taken by me & edited by me, please do not remove watermarks)
 
Jan 23, 2017 at 7:17 PM Post #161 of 173
  Supreme Sound (Burson) Audio V5-OPA Dual Opamp Impressions with HT Omega Claro Halo
 
Let me start by stating that this is my first review of an audio product. I am an audio enthusiast, being that I spend tons of money on decent audio gear. I can tell what sounds good to me, and that generally falls in line with the general consensus amongst fellow audio enthusiasts. So take from this what you can, especially with my lack of audio vocab.
 
Equipment wise, I own/have owned HT Omega Claro Halo, K702, HD650, K550, Beats Studio, SE535 Reshelled (CIEM), Xiaomi Piston 2, TTPOD T1-E, Xuelin ihifi960, Blox BE03, Brainwavz S5, Bravo Audio Ocean, PreSonus HP4, Racoon SG-300. So I get a good sense of what I can get in terms of sound quality for the extra cost. My favourite combination is Foobar with ASIO playback to HT Omega to my K702. Source is very important, and most of my music is in FLAC.
 
The fact is, after upgrading from the stock JRC to Burr Browns, things got a tiny bit better. I only noticed that the music was a bit more dynamic, hence more bass. I didn't really think my ears can hear the difference of a "better" dac or opamp. My dual wolfson DAP was fantastic, but not significantly better sounding than my Claro Halo. So I thought, why not give opamp rolling another shot. Many people sang praises for AD797BRZ and Muse01/02, but they were all pretty expensive or sort of complicated. Either sourcing them or the authenticity. So I figured if I was going to spend big bucks (relative to the sound card $200), then I would go full out and try the Supreme Sound V5-OPA. I figured that would be the end game unless I really disliked their sound. There wasn't much information on the V5s, and what I did find was a bit vague and based on the V4. Reading through many forum gave me one simple conclusion. Burson Audio is a highly regarded/respected company when it comes to the quality of their products and customer service.
 
Purchasing these were very easy through Ebay. I purchased 4 of the Dual Discrete Opamps, and they were shipped out promptly. The delivery was a tad slower than their Ebay estimate, but their staff was very good to keep me updated.
 
When I first got these, I was a bit shocked by the size. It was a whole lot smaller than I expected, which is very good because I do not need to mod my case. Without moving the extension sockets that came with the V5s, the whole card is under 4cm. So it fits in dual slot format.
 
The test will be kept simple; I will be listening to 4 songs all in CD quality FLAC. I will be listening to the OPA2134PA,  then V5-OPA after 50+ Hrs Burn-in (I've read that it does make a bit of a difference)
 
Song Selection
1. Lady Gaga - Starstruck (Feat. Space Cowboy @ Flo Rida)
Massive bass in the beginning with lots of synthesized notes
 
2. Simon and Garfunkel - The Sound of Silence
An older simple recording with great vocal harmony and instrument accompaniment
 
3. Within Temptation - Somewhere(Black Symphony)
My favourite female-female duet, live with symphony
 
4.Andrea Bocelli - Dare to Live (Vivere) Duet with Laura Pausini
I love duets and harmonies, you probably already caught on. Andrea and Laura's Vivere just contains pure pleasure covering highs and lows. The strength and the beautiful placement of their notes is just breathtaking.
 
                OPA2134PA
Lady Gaga - Starstruck (Feat. Space Cowboy @ Flo Rida)
The bass in this song is very powerful, with good impact. It reaches very low and vibrates in a way that makes you really feel it. Though strong, it is quite muddy in the sense that you KNOW it's there, but it is not tight enough to precisely know exactly when one bass note ends, and   another starts. Nevertheless satisfying, like when I first heard the Beats by Dre Studios. The high synthesized notes are very delicate, and accurately observable within the soundstage. They bounce around with great energy, but they are what I would call "sharp" to my ears. Whether the correct term is harshness; it's just that they fatigue my ears very quickly. Overall, this song is not as enjoyable on this system as out of a phone into the Beats Studio. It is just not very musical as the voices and the synthesized notes do not merge well; and each element sounds like they are doing their own thing.
 
                Simon and Garfunkel - The Sound of Silence
This song starts for me with very unique presentation. The piano lightly enters near center, then followed by the guitar from far right, almost 3 O'clock. Then comes in Simon and Garfunkel from above center; I have always described it as if they were singing to us from heaven. Right after 30 seconds, the guitar becomes louder and moves toward 1:30, then enters the percussions. Once again, I find the guitar high notes to be quite sharp/harsh to my ears. I also find that the instrumentals lack detail; I know they are there and the notes that are played, but it doesn't sound like I'm right there in the recording room. This might be a bit high expectation, but I find many songs to give me this kind of pleasant presentation. Overall, the instruments just do not sound real to me. In a way, it could be that most of my complaints are just that the K702 are sometimes just too analytical for some recordings.
 
                Within Temptation - Somewhere(Black Symphony)
Even though this was mixed from a live concert, the soundstage feels intimate and close. Parts of the song you can tell that there are cheering fans and such, and those moments broadens the soundstage. Aside from those moments, it feel like you are the only audience onstage as these amazing vocalists sing to you. The only negatives comes from the instruments again; it just sounds like the symphony and other instruments are behind a curtain, and a bit too far away from the vocals.
 
                Andrea Bocelli - Dare to Live (Vivere) Duet with Laura Pausini
The song is simply stunning to the ears. The piano notes are very clear and realistic. Their voice is just so powerful and rich. The cymbols are light and crisp. The instruments are very much involved in the song, just must softer to let the voices shine; therefore, there isn't much bass to discuss here. At this point, it seems like we see the pattern that the highs extend well, but in a way that is just too sharp/harsh.
 
                V5-OPA
                Lady Gaga - Starstruck (Feat. Space Cowboy @ Flo Rida)
This song received two major changes after the swap; and both to me are improvements. First the bass became much tighter/quicker which cleaned up the low end significantly. It made the OPA2123PA sound bloated and lazy; however, it almost feels like the song is progressing a little quick. I don't quite understand that observation, but I do find the song more energetic. Second, The high synthesized notes seemed to sparkle a little more, whatever that means... I guess it could be a little more detail, but mostly the sharp/harshness has been removed. Lastly, the        soundstage seemed to have tightened a bit. Just a little so that a lot of the notes and voices are overlapping in source; this created a more musical listening experience.
 
                Simon and Garfunkel - The Sound of Silence
The instruments gained a fair bit of detail; where the individual percussion hits differentiated    from each other, and the guitar notes had a lot more natural string sound. It doesn't make these instruments the best sounding I have ever heard, but it is a great improvement over the OPA2134PA. Another example is how it is easier to differentiate the kick drum from the low bass notes.
 
                Within Temptation - Somewhere(Black Symphony)
Even though the voices were already very well presented, the V5s made them just a little more intimate and immersive. The "curtain" / extra distance between the instruments and singers have been significantly diminished. The band/symphony is still behind Sharon and Anneke, they just complement each other better. The highs do not sound sharp/harsh at all, but it may even sound a little pulled back. I have not decided whether that is an improvement or not.
 
                Andrea Bocelli - Dare to Live (Vivere) Duet with Laura Pausini
This song was already pretty perfect coming out of the OPA2134PA, it has been simply refined by the V5s. The V5s are just able to pick up a little more detail, and control the highs better.
 
In summary, I feel that my observations of the 4 songs between the 2 opamps are very consistent. I did not notice any significant differences of the 50+ Hrs break in. The highs were simply too harsh coming out of the OPA2134PA, and were removed completely (if not a little bit pulled back) by the V5-OPA. There was significantly more detail retrieval from the V5-OPA, and the bass is more controlled. The bass did not lose any impact, just cleaner. Ultimately, I am a value based guy so I must talk about cost. These opamps costs $130 per pair, about $70USD each after shipping. Together they cost more than the sound card that they go in. It feels more like a transplant, instead of a minor upgrade. The key point to note is that, I cannot imagine life without my HT Omega Claro Halo. I just love its sound and capabilities. So if I had the money (Obviously I found some), I would definitely do this upgrade. No regrets.
 
My next upgrade to my sound system, which may be my end game would be a OPPO BDP 105 with KEF LS50. But that will be when I get a major promotion :p
 
Thanks to anyone who stuck with me until the end of this review.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Are you still rolling with this soundcard?  Has it been trouble free all this time?
 
I'm so tempted to order up a set of 4.
 
Jan 23, 2017 at 7:23 PM Post #162 of 173
Never have had an issue with mine, kickin' stuff! They also sport a solid as rock warranty.
 
Jan 23, 2017 at 7:56 PM Post #163 of 173
Mid last year, i traded my desktop to my buddy for his laptop. So i put the original opamps back in the halo. So its been running for 7ish years now. Great card. The bursons are by far the best upgrade you can do to it, and most devices that allow you to swap.
 
Feb 3, 2017 at 1:26 AM Post #164 of 173
Has anyone had any delivery problems from Burson?
 
I ask because I ordered a V5i to use in my Little Dot amp back on November 30th, my PayPal account was debited, and I still haven't seen it in my mailbox two months later....
 
There was a tracking number that only showed that the Hong Kong post accepted the package for transport to the USA on December 13th and nothing else....
 
Just wondering....
 
Feb 3, 2017 at 4:40 AM Post #165 of 173
Mine arrived within a month. (Romania) It came from a Chinese sort of location, can't remember and they even posted a much lower price on the envelope so I didn't have to pay extra taxes, without me asking, though I usually ask if it's possible. I had to pick up the envelope personally from the Romanian postal office. It was delivered to them, not other private carrier. The Chinese sender seemed like a nice seller as he thought of my other custom taxes.. When I have lost packages in the past it was due to the RO postal service unfortunately. 2 months time it's too long for any location on the globe unfortunately! I have received stuff faster even in Afghanistan, Army PO, in war zone!! Try to get track of the item, maybe go to the local PO service and ask. I think this is not OK and I think the sender is not guilty, I never heard of this before with Burson stuff!
 

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