JH Audio & Astell&Kern Siren Series Full Metal Jacket Line Announced!
Jun 8, 2016 at 12:58 PM Post #586 of 692
  Hey there
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  Congratulations on your "incoming" 
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I can see that you are excited and have reason to be - the Angie IIs (and indeed, the entire new Siren line) are amazing in build quality and deliver amazing sound. Now... regarding comfort size and feel - let's be honest, no two ear-canals are alike, much less two different person's ears... . So no matter what I say it will NOT apply to you.
 
Having said that... they are reasonably large IEMs but fit nicely in the "ear-well"* just sticking out 2~4mm (if viewed from behind). Unfortunately for me they can only go straight into the ear canal so if you happen to have a shallow canal (veering sharply upwards) then the fit is not so easy. In my case, one canal is deeper and works well with the Angies and the other is a bit too shallow so that I eventually lose the seal and have to re-seat the IEM. I am still working on the best tip-fit (Comply T-500s in med. and sm.) but it's not looking good... . I can hardly blame the Sirens for that - as most IEMs will give me the same problem.
*sorry, I don't know the correct Latin nomenclature of the individual areas of the ear 
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The Moon-Audio supplied cable is awesome. Zero microphonics. Coming from 1st-gen Etymotic ER-4s, the results are night and day. Consideration must be given to the fact that ER-4S pretty much must be worn (cable) straight down while the Angies must be worn over-ear. But regardless, the plastic(?) covering the Ag-plated TINSEL wire is very flexible and well, silent, for lack of a better word. The four-pin connectors and Al locking rings also add to the overall quality. Only audiophile addicts will feel the need to upgrade theirs to the famous "Black Dragon" (V2) cable which basically offers AG-plated Cu wire in the exact same "packaging". We all know and love the the Interconnect-upgrade game...
 
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I won't go into much detail sonically as I do not have enough experience with today's range of IEMs and have been using my really-old Etymotic ER-4S up 'till now. I will have to let someone with more experience (you, maybe? :) ) tell us what they think. In any event, the sound coming from these is simply phenomenal throughout the frequency range!
When you get them, you will note that the "pots" on the attenuation pod are basically off (4 o'clock) and thus allow 100% LF through. This will most likely be too much for the average taste, so you may want to back them down to around 1 o'clock as a good starting point. As you can see, I have them set to 2 o'clock for now (range is 8-4 o'clock)
 
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My personal goal with IEMs is not to have them be 100% sonically faithful - as one might say the Etymotics aspire to be. Rather, I want IEMs to engage me as much as my Grado SR-225 open-cans do, in terms of soundstage, attack and reasonably-fair representation throughout the entire frequency range. If I were to define my SR-225s as a "V" curve, I would say the Angies are almost a (shallow) double-V with a small hump to represent the mids. They are for sure a "mid-forward" IEM as Jerry himself has stated in many interviews. Vocals are up front and personal. Soundstage is comfortably wide, less so in depth. At least that is my impression after the first ~ 10 days of auditioning; More to come but again, I assure you that I am far from the best to consult in terms of grading any IEMS in terms of sonic signature and/or quality.
 
I am happy with them but I cannot promise myself - or anyone else for that matter - that they are worth the asking price. I would have to try out a half-dozen similar IEMs in a broader price range to make such a determination and I am not planning to do so (lack of $ for that 
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). Good luck to you and please do let us have your feedback as well!
 
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really nice photoshoot!
also really nice review :D
 
Jun 8, 2016 at 9:05 PM Post #587 of 692
Jun 9, 2016 at 2:18 PM Post #589 of 692
I saw a people recommending Beat Audio cables and was wondering if anyone had any pics and/or recommendations. 
 
I'm looking for something to slim my Rosie's down. I've gotten used to Linum BaX cables and I know it's not possible to get those with the Siren series but a guy can dream right?
 
I'd like to try a good copper or silver/copper hybrid and a fixed bass level of 12 o'clock (50%). Prefer them to be thin as possible. 
 
Jun 9, 2016 at 2:56 PM Post #590 of 692
  I saw a people recommending Beat Audio cables and was wondering if anyone had any pics and/or recommendations. 
 
I'm looking for something to slim my Rosie's down. I've gotten used to Linum BaX cables and I know it's not possible to get those with the Siren series but a guy can dream right?
 
I'd like to try a good copper or silver/copper hybrid and a fixed bass level of 12 o'clock (50%). Prefer them to be thin as possible. 


Id say Moon Audio Cables are right up your alley. I actually plan on purchasing one myself. They're supposedly thinner than the stock and they improve the SQ a pretty good amount. The Black Dragon V2 is a silver/copper hybrid while they also offer a silver only cable. Both can be purchased with or without the bass pod. 
 
Jun 9, 2016 at 2:58 PM Post #591 of 692
And they run about $200ish? I like Moon Audio. Drew is a nice guy. Their office is about an hour away and I've been up there to demo a few cans. Might order one and go pick it up or even demo a few cables. :p
 
Jun 9, 2016 at 3:56 PM Post #593 of 692
I have a black dragon v2, great cable, nice and thin. But I could not tell any difference in sq over the stock.

Great cable if you want strong and thin and low micrphonics. I do think the right angle 3.5mm plug is too big, it feels heavy, as if it would strain the cable. Other than that, lovely cable and lovely people.
 
Jun 12, 2016 at 10:12 AM Post #594 of 692
  Thanks for the reply! Do you know if the Angie 2 sound anything like the 1st Gen Angie's? Im looking for a similar sound to my IE800 and I heard that the 1st Gen have a similar sound signature so i'm hoping the 2nd Gen retains that. As for the Rosie, how're the vocals on those?  
 
Oh, I apologize for the barrage of questions as well. 
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Hi. I have a pair of IE800 as well and I was considering adding the Rosie to the collection as I find the IE800 comfort and fit level not that great but I love the sound. Did you manage to have a listen? Thank you.
 
Jun 13, 2016 at 4:12 AM Post #597 of 692
I have a black dragon v2, great cable, nice and thin...
Moon Audio makes the stock cables for the 2nd gen sirens. Are you saying your stock (Rosie?) cable is thicker???
 
Jun 13, 2016 at 2:08 PM Post #598 of 692
Does anyone have both the Rosie and Angie to compare the highs/cymbals and such?

I've been using the Rosie's for the past week or so and so far the cymbals are off sounding.. If I add some eq to make it sparkle it get sibilant and weird like they are fall apart in the sound presentation.

I remember the Angies being better in the highs but I was just wondering if it was just me miss remembering or not.

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To add more thoughts.. I think it's because I'm used to IEM's being less wide sounding and more upfront with their sound sig. Specifically the SE846 which is in your face and less soundstage than any Siren series IEM. The SE846 has a laidback higher end so boosting it gives it a balance and sparkle that doesn't get sibilant.

I've thought about it and paid more attention to the Rosie's and found the Rosie's have a more distant sound up high so that cymbals sound farther away. if I try to push them to the front they get nasty and lose control when EQed. I've ended up using less and less EQ with the Rosie's in the past week I've had em. I still like the sub bass boost so I can keep the 50% bass port tuning so it remains relatively clean but still has that low end thump. Mostly for listening in louder environments when sub bass is eaten up by outside noises some.

Thoughts?
 
Jun 13, 2016 at 4:26 PM Post #599 of 692
Does anyone have both the Rosie and Angie to compare the highs/cymbals and such?

I've been using the Rosie's for the past week or so and so far the cymbals are off sounding.. If I add some eq to make it sparkle it get sibilant and weird like they are fall apart in the sound presentation.

I remember the Angies being better in the highs but I was just wondering if it was just me miss remembering or not.

EDIT:

To add more thoughts.. I think it's because I'm used to IEM's being less wide sounding and more upfront with their sound sig. Specifically the SE846 which is in your face and less soundstage than any Siren series IEM. The SE846 has a laidback higher end so boosting it gives it a balance and sparkle that doesn't get sibilant.

I've thought about it and paid more attention to the Rosie's and found the Rosie's have a more distant sound up high so that cymbals sound farther away. if I try to push them to the front they get nasty and lose control when EQed. I've ended up using less and less EQ with the Rosie's in the past week I've had em. I still like the sub bass boost so I can keep the 50% bass port tuning so it remains relatively clean but still has that low end thump. Mostly for listening in louder environments when sub bass is eaten up by outside noises some.

Thoughts?


I did a solid 3hr audition between the Rosies and the Angies v1 before I pulled the trigger on the Angies. I have my notes on my other computer. I listen to a lot of jazz (and part of my audition was going through many of the songs of the Chesky Ultimate Demo disc), and I remember paying attention to the cymbals / high-hats (the sound,the decay, etc.) and noting that.
 
I'll post them later this evening.
 
Jun 14, 2016 at 8:35 PM Post #600 of 692
@Jazic, see below for my notes from my Rosie vs Angie v1 audition. After 3hrs (around 90mins for each), I ended up going with the Angies (the fact they were around the same price was a factor). I thought they were both close, but the Angies to be seemed a bit more refined and complete. It's interesting your comment jogged my memory about my notes, as I had noticed some sibilance on a few songs as well with the Rosies, and I preferred the cymbal crash / decay better with the Angies as well (this is one of the areas I listen for a lot, as I think it's one of the few differentiators that you can listen for between high-end headphones).
 
All songs were FLAC, with a bunch being 24/192 or 24/96, and some 16/44 Redbook. All songs were played from my laptop using Foobar2000, USB-out to my Centrance HiFi-M8.
 
Rosies
Fit: Comfortable, good isolation. Not too big.​
 
Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue: Soundstage not as wide, but good positioning of instruments.
Diana Krall (from Live in Paris) - I Love Being Here With You: good detail on snare / cymbals
Portishead (from Roseland Live NYC) - Only You: bass a touch muddy
(Chesky Ultimate Demo Disc) Sara K - If I Could Sing Your Blues: Ok positioning
(Chesky) Monty Alexander - Sweet Georgia Brown: Good detail retrieval. Slightly worse positioning / soundstage
(Chesky) Johnny Frigo - I Love Paris: Good energy, and cymbal crash detail
Miles Davis - So What: Trumpets sound a bit crackly, good detail retrieval on cymbals and snare drums
Nina Simone - Pastel Blues: Good detail retrieval on hand claps and snare drums
Dr. Dre - Forgot about Dre: good bass, good detail on the snare drum on the sides
Dr. Dre - Next Episode: Bass seems a bit boomy
Avicii Ultra 2015 set: slight sibilance on the highs
 
Angies:
Fit: Even though they look bigger than the Rosies, fit is very comfortable. Great isolation as well.
 
Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue: Nice soundstage, instrument positioning seems more precise.
Diana Krall - I love Being HEre with you: good energy, good detail on the snare / cymbals
Diana Krall - Fly Me To The Moon: Good energy, smooth. Vocals sound superb.
Portishead - (from Roseland Live NYC) Only You: Better, crisper bass
(Chesky) Rebecca Pidgeon - Spanish Harlem: Nice shaker detail retrieval
(Chesky) Sara K - If I could Sing Your Blues: Better positioning than Rosies
(Chesky) Johnny Frigo - I love Paris: good energy, good cymbal crash detail, similar to Rosies
Miles DAvis - So What: Good soundstage, trumpets less crackly, good detail retrieval on cymbals and snare drums
Nina Simone - Pastel Blues: Good cymbal and snare drum detail
Dr. Dre - Next Episode: Bass definitely noticeable tighter
Avicii Ultra 2015 set: highs sound crisper, did not hear any sibilance during same sections
 

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