The DIY'rs Cookbook
Apr 27, 2016 at 11:59 AM Post #421 of 1,974
Great article from Juergen Reis of MBL, right down the alley of what you guys are doing. As a designer/manufacturer, he found sonic differences he couldn't measure, then developed procedures that focused on measuring components while fully connected in a system. With that, he found measured differences.

I've been familiar for years with amplifiers that measure great into an 8 ohm resistor yet perform poorly when driving real loudspeakers. But he's expanded his "real world" testing way beyond that.

http://www.audiostream.com/content/open-and-tolerant-mbls-juergen-reis-listening-measurements-and-uncertainty#CFaeSjvFAMLlhukL.03
 
Apr 28, 2016 at 1:13 AM Post #422 of 1,974
Thanks for that link.
 
Good advice such as he gives is appreciated, at least by me.
 
And this quote raised my eyebrows,
"You must use a test signal that shows you differential and intermodulation distortion, noise floor modulation, aliasing, and jitter, and has a similar DR ratio as typical music."
Emphasis mine…
This is what I think the Akiko sticks are addressing.
 
And I agree that using a whole system is the best way to evaluate a component change, once a baseline has been established.
And we do that using our hearing, but adding appropriate instrumentation would be confirmation with numbers.
 
JJ
 
Apr 29, 2016 at 6:05 AM Post #424 of 1,974
Dismissing proves nothing. Testing it can be dismissed proves everything....

This type of proof can be problematic most times.
 
As in, proving a negative is nearly impossible, especially in the real world, vs in theory.
But then proof of 'stuff' and it's behavior doesn't really exist in the realm of theory, rather it's the opposite.
Theory is an attempt to explain 'stuff' (and other stuff) and its behavior via being codified.
 
But that is the trick isn't it, to be able to actually prove a negative.
 
As a result I generally don't even try, rather I look for positive associations and relationships that withstand the test of time.
 
JJ
 
Apr 29, 2016 at 6:17 AM Post #425 of 1,974
The Bottlehead meet is right around the corner and my system is gunna peak during the meet.
 
It's really close to reaching new heights in terms of overall SQ, right now, and the peak is ≈ 20-30hrs away, that is if the pattern continues, which it sure seems like it will.
 
This is gunna be kewl!
 
JJ
 
Apr 29, 2016 at 8:09 AM Post #426 of 1,974
 
Dismissing proves nothing. Testing it can be dismissed proves everything....

This type of proof can be problematic most times.

 
As in, proving a negative is nearly impossible, especially in the real world


Exactly. You cannot prove that a device has "no issues" (i.e. is "audibly transparent").
 
The most that you can do is take a finite set of known issues with associated tests (themselves, a finite set), run the testing simulations, notice no issues in particular given subjective interpretation of the testing results, and declare that you cannot detect any issues from those tested. This is a far cry from "proving" audible transparency, and if a trained ear hears something wrong and points it out to you, then you better listen carefully and see how existing tests can be improved or what other tests you could come up with to attempt to measure this new experience...
 
Apr 29, 2016 at 5:36 PM Post #427 of 1,974
Ah gents it wasn't a definitive piece of scientific insight...I am just glad I am testing rather than go on reviews and opinion... It's been more fun than I thought... My last little effort with cilclear on the internal pins...when the wife leaves for work tomorrow...

I'd already done the whole chain with Deoxit and other contact cleaners. So wasn't sure about sonic changes with Cilclear.
Good but dangerous stuff. For fine contacts the tip of pin. Sort of listened to JJ before going mad on the 3 pin plug and tripping the house fuse...

Did find an audiophile article that mirrored my own experiences and really promotes internal cleaning. An audiophile colonic...
 
Apr 29, 2016 at 6:40 PM Post #428 of 1,974
Ah gents it wasn't a definitive piece of scientific insight...I am just glad I am testing rather than go on reviews and opinion... It's been more fun than I thought... My last little effort with cilclear on the internal pins...when the wife leaves for work tomorrow...

I'd already done the whole chain with Deoxit and other contact cleaners. So wasn't sure about sonic changes with Cilclear.
Good but dangerous stuff. For fine contacts the tip of pin. Sort of listened to JJ before going mad on the 3 pin plug and tripping the house fuse...

Did find an audiophile article that mirrored my own experiences and really promotes internal cleaning. An audiophile colonic...

Yeah, I kinda figured it wasn't a died in the wool statement, but my response was more to clear up the notion that negation can be easily proven as a matter of course.
 
As for that audiophile colonic…
As long as you've got the good Schiit to begin with, well, I figure you can take it from there
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JJ
 
May 1, 2016 at 3:58 AM Post #429 of 1,974
The last of my mini experiments completed yesterday. It was a little scary when you are playing with semi liquid conductor in a can...
Mapleshade Cilclear silver contact grease..The tub seems huge until you open it...It is a Cod Piece in false advertising...But that little does go a long way....
You also get a small brush but I only used that on the UK 3 pin and Male IEC pins... After that I applied with the end of a sowing needle for accuracy and loading control. Some of the male pins on the connectors are a few mm wide..

Cleaning....
I have had Deoxit gold sat on the pins for 3 weeks now after using red a while ago. Also the female wire crimps have been soldered to thier wires in the power toroidal plastic push fit connectors..

There are smaller female push fits crimps but I didn't have the equipment at home to solder one side with accuracy and deemed to much of a risk..

They got dipped in IPA to wash out copper oxide...Green sludge.. blew out
With air and a dip of contact Z for good measure..
There was traces of flux on the Dac board IC'S op amps.. IPA SOAK and esd foam stick rub. Then blow off again..

As this is cleaning in extremis...All pins got an IPA soak to remove deoxit residue and the contact Z contact cleaner. Then using the Sowing needle applied Cilclear half way down the smaller connectors male pins...

So 5 hours of my life later... OPPO HA1 reassembled and plugged in..

The sound has that little bit extra depth and dimension from the last deoxit clean. Many would say it's purely in the mind.. Effort or money spent = change regardless....

To me even after previous Deoxit treatment the Cilclear has made the sound that bit more smoother but snappy.
More hitting bass and percussion.
Voices now sound that bit more intelligible and some back ground details never heard before appear. .

Causes of contact resistance are many..
Pick the point in the design or manufacturing process this starts.

The only true way is hard soldering from scratch so no degradation over time.
Internal connectors only creep with heat changes.They never get refitted like USB POWER OR AUDIO Cables.

A long process but applied to the extreme of ability and home capabilities for my personal experimenting and just OCD....fun

Was it worth it...At the time no..
Now I am listening to my efforts...
God yes. WHY replace your kit before you know it's true potential....

This is bloody fantastic and no I cannot measure it's change with a scope, A/B this kind of work or even get a fellow Oppo owner to compare it... It's is improved from start to finish and makes me smile. I did my best to see what's possible. Just a dollop of Deoxit would improve things.

This now....Just makes me happy...
Ask for help. The earth screws and screw holes uber cleaned. All Cilcleared carefully and even the case screws to the earthed chassis...

Job done..
 
May 1, 2016 at 5:42 AM Post #430 of 1,974
My next paper is on contact enhancement and the reason for that is, it has really helped, especially in certain areas.
 
And yes it can be a PIA and time sucker, especially if you go after everything all at once.
 
And that tiny tub of Silclear will probably last you for the rest of your life…
No, I'm not kidding and this stuff is a MAJOR bargain when compared to the other offerings, especially the $200 stuff (for the same amount).
 
It's much like deoxit gold, I am still using the stuff I bought back in the late 80's and I still have ≈ 50% left.
 
As for the sonic changes, give it some time to fully settle in, as in these tweaks take a few hours to fully manifest.
And no I have no explanation as to why this is so, but if you log the hrs of usage thru time (as I do) patterns emerge.
 
I figure at ≈125hrs ± you'll hit a peak.
 
And sometimes these peaks can be jaw droppers…
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JJ
 
May 1, 2016 at 6:21 AM Post #431 of 1,974
As always..Thanks for the help, advice and confidence to try this JJ..BD et al .
Much appreciated and always warranted..
Cheers...8^)

Much easier to spend on the never ending hype train. Things do move forward in design technologies by good engineers/ designers.

A lottery win and a phone call to Part time Audiophile for £300,000 system advice... would be nice. Our mid fi purchases are mass production family cars...quality at a cost..
We have the time as you rightly say to expand and experiment on that. We clock on when they clock off work...

It's gave me some confidence/self worth and a small sense of pride with the result. I will try the custom headphone cable now I have the parts for the ETHER..

Good luck all and keep smiling...
Dave
 
May 2, 2016 at 3:11 PM Post #432 of 1,974
I had some gold plated caps for the RCA in outs I didn't think they would do much other than dust caps. Can't hear anything. I tried a small rca to rca cable and bridged the in and out. Anything can be done with the unused connections? No issues I can tell..just interested.

Oh as my Oppo HA1 is waiting for the silver grease to settle in.. I am setting the unused parts Optical, blue tooth,RCA.
Seeing if that speeds up the process full volume. See what happens running other parts of the circuit...
Just trying new things...
 
May 5, 2016 at 12:34 AM Post #433 of 1,974
What and how do we know what IS ‘Better’?
or
It’s all in our heads, or is it?

 
Part 18     Connector Contact Patch Resistance Reduction
 
In my experiments and investigations I have looked into the relationship between the ‘size’ of the contact patch in the connectors (RCA & XLR) and the resultant change in signal transfer as it relates to audible changes to the music.
And since I lack the instrumentation necessary to perform ‘proper’ micro-Ω measurements, I must infer that these contact patch enhancements do lower the resistance across the contact of a connector pair.
And it is a fairly ‘safe’ assumption to make where an increase in the surface area of 2 contact patches will reduce the resistance across that mated pair of contacts.
 
Recently I increased the metal to metal surface contact patch using a silver paste for my 4 pin XLR headphone connector.
There was an immediate change in the presentation of the music.  And this was after also noticing changes to the presentation of the music when I cleaned and conditioned that very same connector using Caig DeOxit Gold.  And although this initial treatment didn’t increase the contact patch size it did improve the contact patch by removing contaminants and helping to seal the surface of the metal against further oxidation and corrosion.
 
Another example of increasing the contact patch was when I soldered the wires of a splice in my dedicated branch circuit ac power feed.  
This effort resulted in a most welcome change in SQ of the music, especially after I also soldered the ground return wire.
This significantly reduced the resistance and the ability to flow current even though the current draw for this dedicated branch circuit is minimal (120w), which is equivalent to 1 amp of continuous current draw.
I figure the improvement was mostly because the size of the contact patch was increased.
 
Next is an examination of the connectors themselves, and in general terms, some of their design strengths and weaknesses.
 
For the ‘line level’ audio signal itself we have 2 main connector types, the RCA and XLR.
And for power the ubiquitous IEC connector on one end and a suitably styled connector for the electrical system in use on the other.
And since there is but one ’standard’ AC connector, no comparison is really possible in this case.
And it should be noted that applying the contact enhancement (silver paste) to the ac power cable connector pins also yield significant improvements as well.
 
But the signal cable does accord us an interesting chance to test where contact patch increases/reduction in contact resistance, can make an audible difference.
 
So what are the main differences between the RCA and XLR connectors?
Mostly it’s all about contact patch size, reliability and durability of the connection.
 
In short RCA connectors are not very ‘robust’, while XLR’s are designed to be used in a variety of commercial applications, where set up and tear down is not just necessary but is done so on a frequent basis.  All the while retaining a reliable connection, despite ‘abuse’ of the cable itself.
 
And one of the reasons for their robustness is the size of the contact patch, but also the design of the mating surfaces themselves, as they tend to ’self clean’, far better than RCA connectors.
 
But RCA connectors are the standard audio connector and they have come along way from the original design and implementation.
And these days the aftermarket offers some very advanced designs to help improve the reliability and durability of the RCA design from the 40’s.
 
Quoting Wikipedia…
RCA
“It was originally a low-cost, simple design, intended only for mating and disconnection when servicing the console. Refinement came with later designs, although they remained compatible.
RCA connectors began to replace the older quarter-inch phone connectors  for many other applications in the consumer audio world when component high fidelity systems started becoming popular in the 1950s.”
 
XLR
“Originally manufactured as the Cannon X series, by 1950 a locking mechanism was added (Cannon XL) and by 1955 a version surrounding the female contacts with a synthetic rubber polychloroprene insulation using the part number prefix XLR.”
 
and this is an interesting bit, here…
“At one time XLR3 connectors were also used extensively on loudspeaker cables, as when first introduced they represented a new standard of ruggedness, and economic alternatives were not readily available.”
 
IOW XLR connectors have been used as speaker connectors due to their ability to handle greater amounts of current.
 
And the locking feature of the XLR connector is a clue to its superiority over the RCA connector in that when the connectors are mated they are aligned and held in place in their ideal placement, ie. straight in and not drooping due to the weight of the connector and wire.
 
This cable droop can significantly alter the contact patch size of RCA connectors as the mating surfaces are no longer in ‘proper’ alignment.  And there is no ‘mechanism’ built into these connector designs to insure this degree of ‘proper’ alignment, like the XLR connector has.
 
But the clincher is the size of the contact patch difference between them.
The RCA does have a single pin in the center to mate up with its counterpart, but even here we see several variations in design of those pins and its mating surface in the female connector.
But the ground connection has an inherent design limitation.
Besides being exclusively a friction/clamping type of connection, the primary contact junction is at the tip of the ground tab ‘ears’ themselves.
 
And I’m sure there are other designs which increase the size of actual metal to metal contact, but even though it represents the largest surface area for connection, it actually delivers the least.
And that assumes it is plugged straight into its mated connector.
 
Perhaps a bit of insight can be gained by examining the current and resistance rating of these 2 connectors.
The XLR rating is readily available such as this Neutrik XLR spec
3 pole: 16A
4 pole: 10A
with a resistance rating of ≤ 3 mΩ (that’s 0.003Ω)
 
Switchcraft provides these specs for their RCA connectors…
Contact Resistance (typical D.O.M.J.):< 0.020 ohms.
(D.O.M.J. ­ Dependent On Mating Jack)
Current Carry @ Working Voltage
(typical D.O.M.J.): 6.0 AMPS.
 
The difference in contact resistance is an 85% improvement and a 62% increase in current delivery in favor of the XLR connector.
And when silver paste is added those resistance and current numbers should be improved still further.
 
Another example of improving the contact patch area is by using silver paste on the fuse where it contacts the fuse holder ‘fingers’.
So if I use as an example a typical 5x20mm fuse, which has 4 contact lines per end of the fuse each of which is (I’m guessing here) ≈.2mm in width by 5mm in length.  This equates to ≈8mm^2.
So if I add some silver contact paste to those 8 lines and increase their width from .2 to 2mm in width the total surface area for each fuse has increased from 8mm^2 to 80mm^2 or a 10 times increase in the contact patch surface area.
The total surface contact area for this fuse is ≈ 157mm^2 which equates to a change from 5% to ≈ 51% of the available surface area being used after adding the silver paste.
 
And it should be noted that as the resistance is lowered across the fuse to fuse holder junction, it generates less heat due to lowered Ω across the junction which also means less voltage drop, which also implies greater peak current delivery capacity.
Now granted these changes are small and if the current that passes thru the fuse were more of a steady flow (such as a light bulb or a motor these changes might not make much if any difference especially if the current draw was as small as what my system uses.
But the power supply in our amps and dacs etc doesn’t operate with a steady flow.
Instead it draws current in pulses, which in turn means the amount of current during the peaks of those pulses is higher than 1 amp, and they have a relatively short duration, which is repeated in an ongoing manner.
 
So really what are the benefits to lowered contact patch resistance, especially in terms of the sonic improvements?
I figure that small signal dynamics and micro-details would be improved, since these are the electrical signals that are most effected by small improvements of lowered contact resistance.
Which means more of the signal is delivered to us, or as I am wont to say “the system gets out of it’s own way” all the more.
And this is what I do hear as a result of paying attention to improving the contact patch of the connections in my system.
 
JJ :thumb

End Part 19              
 
Next up         Auditory memory
 
May 5, 2016 at 1:18 AM Post #434 of 1,974
Recently "trending" in RCA connectors is a reduction of contact patch size, going away from a full "collar" to a single small contact point. See Nordost, Eichmann, and others.

Go figure.
 
May 5, 2016 at 6:43 PM Post #435 of 1,974
Looking into why contact resistance was affecting my OPPO HA1. I thought it wouldn't do a thing but if you don't try...
Internal connections never get moved.

Some things I learned...
Even on connections like XLR with gold plating need to be lubricated. As even though the plating seems smooth it can cause a bow wave scraping the plating.
You can get Nickel bleed through the plating increasing oxidisation...

That plating under a microscope would look like 2 saws loosely placed on each other only touching at a few points.

Gold doesn't corrode... pure gold isn't reactive...It still picks up any contaminants from the manufacturing process other mating surfaces, the atmosphere dust. ..

A soldered joint is as near we can get to an unbroken path for the current to travel along.

Flux in soldering acts as aggressive acid stripping off oxide and contamination for the instant the hot solder flows the joint. Keeping oxygen away from the bi metal interconnect.
But as tempting as soldering everything from the power station to headphone plugs.....


Flux removes oxide. Deoxit removes oxide of the metal surfaces..

To act as the solder I used Mapleshade Cilclear. Food grade grease and 15 micron silver particles.

Anyone making their own PC uses a super flat smooth heatsink on the CPU.

But those two microscopically small saws need those troughs filling to increase the surface area for max heat transfer.

We want maximum surface area for contact conduction.

I can see going for 1 good point of contact is more effective than the random contact of the RCA causing different electrical effects.

Some Aerospace connectors have a minimum 6 points of contact.

It maybe time to move to a better quality audio interconnects. Not cast offs from different industries from the past.

The internal breakable connections are a time capsule of when they were made. How they were assembled. How they were stored. Restoring them to best by mimicking soldering can have a suprising effect on audio quality.

I hope this adds to JJ'S good work here..

Take care

Dave
 

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