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Jun 5, 2015 at 6:36 PM Post #3,916 of 18,020
I disagree with the comments re Spotify and what not, and 'crappy' Android DAPs, the ZX2 is hardly what I call crappy, and if FiiO can pull off something similar for less money, they'll have a winning device for sure
 
Jun 5, 2015 at 6:58 PM Post #3,917 of 18,020
Lots of talk of Micro SD on this thread. On a player this size, why not use SD, they are cheaper and available in lager capacity. Or, even better M.2 SSD, theres a thought.
 
Jun 5, 2015 at 7:02 PM Post #3,918 of 18,020
And the merry-go-round continues.

Everyone wants SD or SSD. FiiO has decided to use mSD for various reasons including footprint. Been discussed to the point of insanity.

Insanity medical definition:

The inability to distinguish reality from fantasy.

Insanity urban definition:

Repeating the same action and expecting a different result.


Both apply here.
 
Jun 5, 2015 at 7:32 PM Post #3,919 of 18,020
 FiiO has decided to use mSD for various reasons including footprint.

I have cameras that do video and audio as small as a DAP and use SD. They also have to fit in image sensors and lenses.
 
If you want to appeal to more than fan boys, (and get X5 owners to upgrade) you need to differentiate from every other DAP out there... Larger storage might lure a few from their ageing iPod classics too.
 
 And the merry-go-round continues

 
Haven't been on the thread for a while, just had a few e-mail digests debating larger internal memory and one Micro SD. I vote for two, at least they will get larger and cheaper over time.
 
Jun 5, 2015 at 7:52 PM Post #3,920 of 18,020
  I have cameras that do video and audio as small as a DAP and use SD. They also have to fit in image sensors and lenses.
 
If you want to appeal to more than fan boys, (and get X5 owners to upgrade) you need to differentiate from every other DAP out there... Larger storage might lure a few from their ageing iPod classics too.
 
 
Haven't been on the thread for a while, just had a few e-mail digests debating larger internal memory and one Micro SD. I vote for two, at least they will get larger and cheaper over time.

That's why an OTG is the way to go. You can choose either sd(card reader)/ssd/flash drive or a combination of both. 
 
Jun 5, 2015 at 8:11 PM Post #3,921 of 18,020
 That's why an OTG is the way to go.

I used to use OTG memory on my X5. But these days if I need more storage I just attach a DAC to my MacBook Air 11" or Galaxy Tab S 8.4. Better display than a DAP too :)
 
Looking for an all in one solution with no dongles. I.e great display / UI, capable of large internal memory, can run Spoitfy, Deezer, Tidal.
 
Jun 5, 2015 at 8:46 PM Post #3,922 of 18,020
I disagree with the comments re Spotify and what not, and 'crappy' Android DAPs, the ZX2 is hardly what I call crappy, and if FiiO can pull off something similar for less money, they'll have a winning device for sure


i mean besides the ZX2 as that is more than I am willing to pay for a DAP :p  X7 is suppoed to be cheaper right
 
Jun 5, 2015 at 10:52 PM Post #3,923 of 18,020
I have cameras that do video and audio as small as a DAP and use SD. They also have to fit in image sensors and lenses.

If you want to appeal to more than fan boys, (and get X5 owners to upgrade) you need to differentiate from every other DAP out there... Larger storage might lure a few from their ageing iPod classics too.


Haven't been on the thread for a while, just had a few e-mail digests debating larger internal memory and one Micro SD. I vote for two, at least they will get larger and cheaper over time.


That's why I said the merry-go-round. It's been discussed and discussed and discussed.

I don't mean to single anyone out and I understand that you're late to the party but most of this thread is about, and comes around to the same topic. It's been beaten to death and FiiO is not changing from mSD.

I agree SD would be better, or two mSD. Nothing to be done about it now. It will not change.
 
Jun 6, 2015 at 12:56 AM Post #3,924 of 18,020
Eactly. I have unlimited data and stream spotify premium all day and HQ Youtube music. This would go nicely with all my gear as well. Not everyone one listens to classical music or high res DSD stuff. So I agree you with you, good point :)


@interpolate

http://www.h3xed.com/web-and-internet/youtube-audio-quality-bitrate-240p-360p-480p-720p-1080p

You get around 126 kbit/s AAC - not bad but also far from anything audiophile.

I don't like it much but streaming is the future. I mean, show a younger person a CD and they look at it as 20 years ago someone would look at you with an LP. However, since record player have a kind of a resurgence....maybe there is hope....

Streaming is indeed absolutely great for exploring new music and bands.

Cheers,
K
 
Jun 6, 2015 at 2:07 AM Post #3,925 of 18,020
The problem is not the quality from a listeners point of view, I think the more discerning user will expect more. If you listen to a badly encoded medium or attenuated signal on a stream it becomes more apparent on higher quality playback equipment. If the streaming device is equalised in a such a way then the chances are that it will be enough to mask any flaws by exaggerating any bass or mid range and rolling off some treble to make some other frequencies more clear.
 
Streaming data from a home network is a totally different kettle of fish, on a NAS (Network Attached Storage) device where you determine the quota of data broadcast to your device. That is something I would need to investigate further besides the usual security risks.
 
I'll also read that article; don't want egg of my face again.
 
Jun 6, 2015 at 9:16 AM Post #3,926 of 18,020
@interpolate

http://www.h3xed.com/web-and-internet/youtube-audio-quality-bitrate-240p-360p-480p-720p-1080p

You get around 126 kbit/s AAC - not bad but also far from anything audiophile.


It is actually usually around 256 kbit/s for 1080p videos, as you can see if you use a proper downloader like the Complete YouTube Saver add-on for Firefox or certain standalone downloaders.

If you only get an audio stream with a bitrate around 128 kbit/s, your browser and/or downloader can't handle DASH properly.
 
Jun 6, 2015 at 9:27 AM Post #3,927 of 18,020
It is actually usually around 256 kbit/s for 1080p videos, as you can see if you use a proper downloader like the Complete YouTube Saver add-on for Firefox or certain standalone downloaders.

If you only get an audio stream with a bitrate around 128 kbit/s, your browser and/or downloader can't handle DASH properly.


Hi,

I am not using YouTube for music personally.

But thanks for the correction. One thing is constant: change. Google always works on their stuff, LOL.
Cheers,
K
 
Jun 6, 2015 at 9:34 AM Post #3,928 of 18,020
  At first thought that X7 it was an audiophile device.
 
Audiophile means the best audio quality

 
I always though audiophile means someone who loves music and not that blablabla Hi-Def blablabla PCM blablabla 1GB each music.
Just my thoughts 
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Still want the X7 a lot, sadly won't have enough money to buy it this year...
 
Jun 6, 2015 at 9:45 AM Post #3,929 of 18,020
   
I always though audiophile means someone who loves music and not that blablabla Hi-Def blablabla PCM blablabla 1GB each music.
Just my thoughts 
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Still want the X7 a lot, sadly won't have enough money to buy it this year...

 
I think as times moving on, especially in the portable audio scene the definition of audiophile is slowly changing. To my understanding, an audiophile was someone who's definitely passionate about sound quality but attempting to replicate the experience of a live concert through a home stereo. With the likes of portable audio and its huge popularity, the meaning is carving its own new way. 
 
Just my 2 cents.
 
Jun 6, 2015 at 11:38 AM Post #3,930 of 18,020
  I always though audiophile means someone who loves music and not that blablabla Hi-Def blablabla PCM blablabla 1GB each music.
Just my thoughts 
wink.gif

 
Still want the X7 a lot, sadly won't have enough money to buy it this year...

 
I would say an audiophile is someone who loves high audio quality, not necessarily high musical quality, allthough that's not excluded either. And since high audio quality is dependent on technical preconditions...
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...those aren't just blablabla.
 

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