georgelai57 said:

And as the wife says ... "Since u don't smoke or drink or gamble or womanize (?) ..."

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Exactly - my wife doesn't mind the occasional big purchase as long as everything else is in order. Sorry for the OT.

jk1 said:

  If I had a billion dollars, then I "might" spend $100K on audio products. Since I don't have a billion dollars though, I buy a Clip+.

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anakchan said:

  You've been a member for 11.5 years! You must have seen the prices of audio products escalate (probably exponentially in the past 3 years?)?

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Hmmm....let's see....that's 11.5 years and you now rock a $35 Clip+.
 
That's an average of a whopping $3 PER YEAR!!!   

jk1 said:

  Imo it makes no sense at all to spend $1,000 or more(or even over $200) for an mp3 player, unless you are so rich that price doesn't matter. I'll stick with my $35 Clip+ for now, although if I find an enticing player under $100 I might buy it. The X1 is not enticing to me due to its short battery life.

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I can definitely see where you are coming from TBH. The way I see it, it's all about how far down the line of diminishing returns you're willing to go. Some people will feel that paying $500+ for a music player is insanity (all you have to do is google all the news articles on gadgets blogs for the new ZX2, most of the comment sections I've seen there are full of non-audiophiles asking why anyone would pay $1200 for a device that "already does what my smartphone does").
 
After having actually tried the ZX1 for myself, I think it's just down to personal opinion and preference. Two people could walk into a Sony shop, try the ZX1 with the same set of headphones, and one could walk away feeling like there is no way it's worth the asking price, while the second person might put their credit card down straight away. Yes I suppose that line of thinking does have to eventually factor in how much money you make, but I don't think the ZX1 and similar are so expensive that they are in "only for millionares" territory or anything like that. Definitely a luxury item, but not impossible for someone on a modest income to be able to afford IMO.
 
Personally I find the players in the $1-2k+ price bracket pretty excessive, but as people before me have said, this is exactly the kind of place you'll find not just one but a whole group of people who are more than willing to shell out for them, and by all means more power to them I say. If they have found a way of being able to afford them then who am I to tell them they are crazy and it makes no sense for them to spend that money? They are surely experiencing a better level of audible enjoyment than I, even if it might be marginal.
 
Just my two cents, and I totally respect your opinion, after all it's the most rational point of view, even if it does rustle a lot of jimmies in a place like head-fi. The bang for buck is definitely in the cheaper end of the market music player wise, especially if you don't have hard to drive headphones.

i used to think spending 1k on DAP is crazy.
but when you think about it people would not hesitate to spend 1k on TV and people who go out a lot and love music like me spend more time with your DAP than in front of your TV so i came around to it's not unreasonable to spend that kinda money on DAP.

"Yes I suppose that line of thinking does have to eventually factor in how much money you make, but I don't think the ZX1 and similar are so expensive that they are in "only for millionares" territory or anything like that. '
 
First of all, the term "millionaire" is overused. Besides which, I define "millionaire" as someone who has over $1 million a year in after tax income. I do not fall into this category. The best mp3 players don't seem to be that much better than the Clip+ to warrant over 30x the price. Pay 30X the price for something that isn't even twice as good? I might be willing to pay 2x the price for a player that is twice as good(ie. gives me twice the enjoyment when I use it). 

jk1 said:

  "Yes I suppose that line of thinking does have to eventually factor in how much money you make, but I don't think the ZX1 and similar are so expensive that they are in "only for millionares" territory or anything like that. '
 
First of all, the term "millionaire" is overused. Besides which, I define "millionaire" as someone who has over $1 million a year in after tax income. I do not fall into this category. The best mp3 players don't seem to be that much better than the Clip+ to warrant over 30x the price. Pay 30X the price for something that isn't even twice as good? I might be willing to pay 2x the price for a player that is twice as good(ie. gives me twice the enjoyment when I use it). 

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I agree wholeheartedly regarding the logic of paying so much more for proportionately nowhere near as much improvement, which is exactly what I meant by "how far down the line of diminishing returns you're willing to go". By diminishing returns, I mean exactly that - each additional dollar spent past a certain point buys less improvement than the last, and the return per dollar curve declines exponentially. 
 
Again, none of this is to say you or your point of view are wrong - you seem offended and I'm sorry if I have offended you, I'm just giving my opinion regarding the ZX1 and audiophile logic in general. I actually struggled with the idea of splashing out for the ZX1 (even though I got it for $540 AUD with a free pair of MDR-10R which at the time was a great buy) for some time before deciding I should just jump on the deal and give these crazy high end players a whirl. I most definitely do not fall into the "millionaire" category either, BTW. I just didn't put quite as much money into savings that month. Irresponsible I know, but a guy should be able to spend some of his hard earned money every now and then. While I don't regret it at all, I totally understand why some wouldn't even consider buying a ZX1 or the like.

anakchan said:

A Glove for the NW-ZX1...maybe I should hang on to mine a little longer??

From eear_yamachan's tweets

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

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A few more pix from @Sasaki-san's tweets :-
 
Source: http://twitter.com/music2go

The name shown is X1 but it would be changed to S1 in production version.

Does the zx1 work with the cypher labs theorem 720?

What puzzles me with Sony is how they approach their products. The PHA 3 and Sony Z7 are no doubt aimed at the ZX1 owners. Yet the battery life on the ZX1 is unnecessarily awful using digital out. It makes the use of the PHA 3 a waste of time. I cannot get more than 3 hours yet my Ipod Touch gives 15 hours and my AK240 9 hours.
Doesn't make sense when the PHA is doing all the work.
I presume when shops demo the three together they use line out.

Anyone else find that their ZX1 won't shut down? If I shut it down, it restarts. The only way to get it to stay off is for the battery to die. It just will not power completely off for me any more. 

try doing a factory reset, that might cure it.

Just want to ask if there's any difference in sound quality between the F880 and the ZX1? I have the F887 currently, but I am running out of storage space, and considering getting the ZX1.

love music said:

  Just want to ask if there's any difference in sound quality between the F880 and the ZX1? I have the F887 currently, but I am running out of storage space, and considering getting the ZX1.

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I'm considering it too. I only transfer converted DSD files. ( Not Double DSD. ) and wondered how many albums. ( estimate ) you could fit on the ZX1 ?

rob49 said:

 
I'm considering it too. I only transfer converted DSD files. ( Not Double DSD. ) and wondered how many albums. ( estimate ) you could fit on the ZX1 ?

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I have 6000 songs in my F887, under 300 FLAC files and the rest is mp3/aac at different bitrates. I'm sort of considering the ZX1 or getting the DX90 since they are about the same price, the DX90 (including 128gb sd card) comes to around 500-550 USD, while the ZX1 is 600 USD.