Idsynch, your findings about 1+2 are exactly opposite of mine. never before i heard such a musically involving IEM like 1+2 and for this reason i like sharing my experience about them non-stop. as i told before my initial expectation about them was not high but what i heard ambushed me and that was Not detail but lush spacious analogue like musicality of them.

what i wonder is what source you use. i find many great IEMs will sound closer to each other if source is not enough. minimum i can see for 1+2 is moded AK, Ibasso and similar level rigs which are really capable of making them shine.

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Idsynch, your findings about 1+2 are exactly opposite of mine. never before i heard such a musically involving IEM like 1+2 and for this reason i like sharing my experience about them non-stop. as i told before my initial expectation about them was not high but what i heard ambushed me and that was Not detail but lush spacious analogue like musicality of them.

what i wonder is what source you use. i find many great IEMs will sound closer to each other if source is not enough. minimum i can see for 1+2 is moded AK, Ibasso and similar level rigs which are really capable of making them shine.

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I really hate being argumentative for the sake of it, but I'm confused by what you mean about "lush spacious analogue musicality." As far as I've read, all the rigs you've listed have very different sound signatures. How can they all give lush spacious analogue musicality?

sorry but lush sounding analogue like is only one rig i have and it consists of 1+2 with goldsilver cable powered by Rwak and T1 amp.
all other rigs, which means one another one is nice sounding budget rig which will not come close to the one above but still will be able to give you great joy of music.

as for lush analogue like i mean rich timbre reproduction giving you a feel of instrument and voice realism extending dynamic countours that allows music to blend haemonically into one seamless act.

want know more, choose a proper live music venue and start visit regularly, will be pleasure and experience at once

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sorry but lush sounding analogue like is only one rig i have and it consists of 1+2 with goldsilver cable powered by Rwak and T1 amp.
all other rigs, which means one another one is nice sounding budget rig which will not come close to the one above but still will be able to give you great joy of music.

as for lush analogue like i mean rich timbre reproduction giving you a feel of instrument and voice realism extending dynamic countours that allows music to blend haemonically into one seamless act.
 

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I still don't understand what you're saying.
 
I already get that from the 334 and asg-2. 
 

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want know more, choose a proper live music venue and start visit regularly, will be pleasure and experience at once

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But I do. Regularly. That's my baseline for judging audio gear.

eke, lets take drums, i want hear every drum in sequence, tight, air moving and feel almost like drum skin is moving after each hit... take bass guitar, i want close my eyes and feel every string like i am playing this, and examples can go endless.

in the end i do not question TG334 or ASG2 but i just tell my personal impressions from 1+2 which came closest in reproducing that musical ambience.

is this anything wrong to tell?

ok, let me give one funny example. i visited two Michael Bolton concerts, one was held in proper acoustic hall of Musik Konzerthaus Wien and another one in modern primitive hall. do i need to tell which concert sounded better to me? does it mean i did not enjoy Bolton singing in the second venue?

so hopefully you get my idea. as regards venues they can be different too, some club venue will sound not like the sams in open air or acoustic hall.

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eke, lets take drums, i want hear every drum in sequence, tight, air moving and feel almost like drum skin is moving after each hit... take bass guitar, i want close my eyes and feel every string like i am playing this, and examples can go endless.

in the end i do not question TG334 or ASG2 but i just tell my personal impressions from 1+2 which came closest in reproducing that musical ambience.

is this anything wrong to tell?

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Of course not, I'm just against you essentially invalidating Idsync's impressions because his sources were apparently not good enough.

ok sorry but then it would help to know what sources he used and would help others. unfortunately or fortunately sources are made different and can sound different. guess why i am not comparing 1+2 on C3 or S9 or iPhone 5 or 4 or iPod Touch? of course there is nothing wrong and i am sure they sound nice with all these sources too but i find 1+2 getting full sound power with Rwak+T1, because even nice great Rwak alone is not enough for me.

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as for lush analogue like i mean rich timbre reproduction giving you a feel of instrument and voice realism extending dynamic countours that allows music to blend haemonically into one seamless act.

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The Heaven V does this out of an iPhone.

vwinter, wow, thanks for letting me know, i do hope Apple will be able to surprise me one day with great music reproduction especially since i love my Mac Mini Server dedicated to playback in full size rig

thanks

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ok sorry but then it would help to know what sources he used and would help others. unfortunately or fortunately sources are made different and can sound different. guess why i am not comparing 1+2 on C3 or S9 or iPhone 5 or 4 or iPod Touch? of course there is nothing wrong and i am sure they sound nice with all these sources too but i find 1+2 getting full sound power with Rwak+T1, because even nice great Rwak alone is not enough for me.

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I have to agree to a degree. They sounded good out of my J3, and in some respects better than the ASG-2 when I demoed them. But I really think my source was insufficient, but that poses it's own problem... Do I get the ASG-2 which has TOTL sound for $400 and be happy with its  sound out of what I currently have, or save up for the next 2 years and get the 1+2 and get a sufficient TOTL portable source and the 1+2s for probably $2.5K+ total. I mean the decision is a no-brainer to me. I like the ASG-1 sound and the ASG-2 improves on it to TOTL levels. That is basically my endgame for a while in IEMs. And even still I'm not 100% sure the difference in sound is/will be worth the $700 difference in total price. 
 
Also the cable is unwieldy, which is not optimal  for my uses, which is largely portable. Some of the wires also need special care. Which is too much for me to consider for a portable IEM.

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Of course not, I'm just against you essentially invalidating Idsync's impressions because his sources were apparently not good enough.

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I didn't see him list any source/amp gear at all. He might be listening to it through some sick desktop setup. It's all an assumption right now. "Didn't like it? Wrong gear."

Honestly, I have yet to hear anything absolutely nail the live sound of cymbals. If anyone conifident enough wants to send me their 1plus2, I'll gladly say I was dead wrong, if I was.

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ok sorry but then it would help to know what sources he used and would help others. unfortunately or fortunately sources are made different and can sound different. guess why i am not comparing 1+2 on C3 or S9 or iPhone 5 or 4 or iPod Touch? of course there is nothing wrong and i am sure they sound nice with all these sources too but i find 1+2 getting full sound power with Rwak+T1, because even nice great Rwak alone is not enough for me.

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What I'm interpreting from this is...
 
"The 1P2 has certain quirks about it. I was unable to hide these quirks using most of my sources. I eventually found a combination of gear signatures, including a cable, DAP, and amp, that would synergize enough to cover up whatever I didn't like before, or emphasize the parts of the 1P2's sound that I like."
 
Like I mentioned before to you, all the iems I've reviewed here carry over the same sound qualities across my different sources, and the differences lie in how the characteristics match up.
 
I don't believe that a source or amp will make an iem ascend to another tier of performance. I took my HD600 to a recent meet and tried it on several different amps and setups. None of the high-buck systems offered me solid enough improvements to make me want to spend money on them. The only one that I really wanted was the Asgard 2 because I like how it brought out extra bass in the HD600. Does that make it a higher quality amp than the others?

It's just one guy's take on it, and an incomplete one at that. I'll tell you what, my friend Soundfreaq wasn't exactly thrilled with the 1P2 when he first heard it, as he shared with me via PM. He's now one of the phone's biggest devotees. I'm very impressed by the phone's technical abilities but its bordering upon strident for me. I feel the Flat-4 is just as detailed but its not rubbin my face into it. I feel the 1P2 is incredibly aggressive with its detailing to the point where it feels unnatural to me. Hyper-real as they say.

I think the presentation is the most polarizing aspect to me. I understand what it's going for, it sounds similar to a tower speaker presentation with the out of the head state and forward projection. It works wonderfully with classical and electronica as the stage is so seemingly large and expansive that it takes on an unprecedented level of grandure, but on other tracks I feel it fails to convey intimacy; the midrange is too distant to me, and it's uninvolving to these ears.

Finally, I think its application is limited if we're using my music library. A good chunk of my music doesn't feature the best mastering, and the 1P2 definitely lets me know this, it's actually pretty obnoxious about it, which makes for a physically uncomfortable listening experience. I hear it similarly to how Anakchan and I think it was Toads heard it: an incredible performer, but uninvolving; not my cup of tea at the moment. That's all. As I said, perhaps I'll come around to it, but based on what I've heard so far... I do have my doubts.

As for the subject of sources... I'm gonna go ahead and trust my friend LCFiner who's been thru a plethora of hi-end sources and phones. If he tells me that the 1P2 can be driven to 90% of its potential thru a humble iPod nano, I'm not gonna question him. Sometimes ignorance is bliss, well... at least where my wallet is concerned

Like Eke, I feel that the G-2 and the 334 (and the FAD Heaven VI) doles out the following:

"as for lush analogue like i mean rich timbre reproduction giving you a feel of instrument and voice realism extending dynamic countours that allows music to blend haemonically into one seamless act."

You and many others may not, and that's perfectly fine. As I said, no phone can be all things to anyone and everyone, personal taste overrides all

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vwinter, wow, thanks for letting me know, i do hope Apple will be able to surprise me one day with great music reproduction especially since i love my Mac Mini Server dedicated to playback in full size rig

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I like to do what I can for the community.

I want a Mac mini sever just for having a server but it would be overkill for just music, no?

I was just saying that it sucks that you can't use portable gear truly portably, so I like what they can do enough for now.

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I didn't see him list any source/amp gear at all. He might be listening to it through some sick desktop setup. It's all an assumption right now. "Didn't like it? Wrong gear."

Honestly, I have yet to hear anything absolutely nail the live sound of cymbals. If anyone conifident enough wants to send me their 1plus2, I'll gladly say I was dead wrong, if I was.

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That is the one thing that struck me with the 1+2 over the ASG-2s even out of my J3. As a percussionist I know how each cymbal sounds. The 1+2 nailed it. I've told several people that I don't think that the 1+2s are worth the price jump, and even with the right sources I'm not sure they ever will, though it might close the gap, but I feel that the highs were just better on the 1+2s. Don't get me wrong I liked and was impressed with how everything sounded on the ASG-2s which is why I'm going to be dropping the $400 on the upgrade soon (very soon). But the highs just impressed me more on the 1+2s. I like how they were presented better. Soundstage was about equal and I liked the mids on the ASG-2s more. Bass was equal IIRC. I'm sure with the right source the soundstage might be different but through my sources there was no real difference.