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Jun 7, 2013 at 2:28 PM Post #736 of 3,609
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marburger said:
who needs realistically 2tb of music on the go? i can not imagine how long will it take to listen to 100 gb of music. p.s. i have seen too the 2tb sdxc support on their website. But i think it is more for the marketing purpose. For me usability matters first.
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Well, if you have >3TB of music, you may want 1TB on-the-go. As an example, I have 3.5 TB of lossless flac music of many genres and my listening preference changes day to day (I may listen Classical on Monday, World music on Tue, then Eva Cassidy on Wed, Miles Davis on Thu). Even if I compress all to LAME V0 mp3, my collection would still be close to 1TB. I prefer most of my music be accessible on one portable player (though not possible right now), as I don't want to pay for expensive wifi or 3G data to stream. 
 
Jun 7, 2013 at 2:42 PM Post #737 of 3,609
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There is a standard called microSDXC. It defines how the cards are shaped and how they work. You know, things like pin setting, power consumption and hardware spec. That standard also says the cards should be formatted with exFAT file system when they're bigger than 32gb. The DX50 will support cards up to 2TB, thereby exFAT. All these things are standardized, which is why we call it a standard. It's also the reason that Ibasso can claim support for 2TB cards, as they know their player will support them once somebody actually manages to cram that much storage into that small space. So, Ibasso has made no false claims at all. The only problem is that so far, 64gb micro SDXC are the largest financially viable cards. Once Sandisk & friends figures out how to increase the data density 32 times the current level, Ibasso will be ready. Because their player supports the standard.
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Are you sure that iBasso DX50 natively supports exFAT? Maybe iBasso meant that you can format a theoretical 2TB exFAT back to FAT32 and play it that way on DX50. I will be glad if iBasso supports exFAT natively, but I would not get my hopes up until iBasso confirms it. We should not deduce exFAT support from that 2TB claim -- as if a 2TB FAT32 card exists, it may be played by DX50 as FAT32, but that does not mean that DX50 supports exFAT.
 
Edit: I am curious if any current portable slot player supports exFAT natively. Samsung Galaxy S4 likely will have it -- but that is an Android smart phone.
 
Jun 7, 2013 at 2:44 PM Post #738 of 3,609
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zzffnn said:
 
Are you sure that iBasso DX50 natively supports exFAT? Maybe iBasso meant that you can format a theoretical 2TB exFAT back to FAT32 and play it that way on DX50. I will be glad if iBasso supports exFAT natively, but I would not get my hopes up until iBasso confirms it. We should not deduce exFAT support from that 2TB claim -- as if a 2TB FAT32 card exists, it may be played by DX50 as FAT32, but that does not mean that DX50 supports exFAT.
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Please explain to me how they could possibly stay within the SDXC standard AND support 2TB cards without supporting exFAT.
 
Jun 7, 2013 at 2:55 PM Post #739 of 3,609
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sorensiim said:
Please explain to me how they could possibly stay within the SDXC standard AND support 2TB cards without supporting exFAT.
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Exactly. There is no way they would require their customers to format their SD cards to FAT32 before they could use them and SDXC is natively exFAT so that is what would happen if their devices lacked the support.
 
Jun 7, 2013 at 2:56 PM Post #740 of 3,609
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sorensiim said:
Please explain to me how they could possibly stay within the SDXC standard AND support 2TB cards without supporting exFAT.
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Like I said, I would be glad if I am wrong (i.e., if iBasso natively suppports SDXC in exFAT).  I just want to hear iBasso to confirm that DX50 natively supports exFAT. 
 
But iBasso has not claimed NATIVE SDXC support (they did not say "stay within SDXC standard", did they?). You surely know this: you can easily format a 64GB microSDXC into FAT32 and use it in any current portable slot player WITHOUT "staying within SDXC standard". I will gladly take this to PM, if you or anyone wants that to happen. 
 
Yes, I understand that SDXC is natively exFAT. I have formatted 3 microSDXC cards to FAT32, which are no longer :within SDXC standard" and are not performing up to SDXC spec. The thing is that I have not heard of native exFAT support on a portable player beyond Samsung Galaxy S4. I will be amazed if iBasso natively support exFAT without using Android -- don't get me wrong, I like that to happen but it does not seem likely. 
 
Jun 7, 2013 at 3:07 PM Post #741 of 3,609
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zzffnn said:
 
Like I said, I would be glad if I am wrong (i.e., if iBasso natively suppports SDXC in exFAT).  I just want to hear iBasso to confirm that DX50 natively supports exFAT. 
 
But iBasso has not claimed NATIVE SDXC support (they did not say "stay within SDXC standard", did they?). You surely know this: you can easily format a 64GB microSDXC into FAT32 and use it in any current portable slot player WITHOUT "staying within SDXC standard". I will gladly take this to PM, if you or anyone wants that to happen. 
 
Yes, I understand that SDXC is natively exFAT (I have formatted 3 microSDXC cards).
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It's possible, but really rather unlikely that they would fail to support exFAT. I can't think of a reason they would want to and not doing so would just create a big pain in their arses
 
Maybe I'm missing something here?
 
Jun 7, 2013 at 3:12 PM Post #742 of 3,609
Can we PLEASE stop arguing about this? Start a new thread elsewhere or continue the discussion via PM.
 
Jun 7, 2013 at 3:31 PM Post #743 of 3,609
This is from iBasso web site: It says it accepts SDXC micro cards, which means it will read (at least) the current standard, which is exFAT.
 

 
Jun 7, 2013 at 3:49 PM Post #744 of 3,609
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zzffnn said:
 
Like I said, I would be glad if I am wrong (i.e., if iBasso natively suppports SDXC in exFAT).  I just want to hear iBasso to confirm that DX50 natively supports exFAT....
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I'm out. Let's move along.
 
Jun 7, 2013 at 3:50 PM Post #745 of 3,609
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fatmansize48 said:
Can we PLEASE stop arguing about this? Start a new thread elsewhere or continue the discussion via PM.
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Let em. In the last view years in every single DAP thread those magical 2TB SD-Cards were discussed at some point (of course, with no conclusion). It comes and goes. We are still at 128gb... 64 is almost affordable.
 
Having the E17 at home I can anticipate how the Fiio X3 will sound. To me the DX50 would be interesting, if it would achieve the sound signature of the T51. It was smooth powerful and kind of laid back. This would be a definitive buying reason for me.
 
Jun 7, 2013 at 6:20 PM Post #746 of 3,609
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theogenes said:
Interesting stuff. Seems like a pretty bad gaffe on the part of the Fiio engineers and/or marketing guys though. 
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This was my mistake. I had just read something about the upcoming Fiio player and typed Fiio when I meant iBasso. And as this appears to be a bit of a sensitive issue, I retract my comments so as not to fan any flames. 
 
I am still REALLY looking forward to the DX50, and can't wait to see how it stacks up against the upcoming DAPs from Fiio (and yes, I actually meant Fiio this time 
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Jun 8, 2013 at 12:30 AM Post #748 of 3,609
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batteraziiz said:
I currently have a 1TB external HDD that's 3/4 filled with music. If I had another 1TB drive I could fill it within 2 months. Music lovers want as much music as possible. More space = more options. My moods sway within minutes. (Thanks, ADHD
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+1! Six months ago (when I was at approx 80GB of songs) I probably would have thought that you were nuts. Six months later and I'm at over 200GB. Hmm. And that's with mostly mp3 320cbr files! Make it 500GB once converted to flac if I ever get around to that. So yeah, agreed: more space = more options!
 
Jun 8, 2013 at 12:34 AM Post #749 of 3,609
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waynes world said:
 
+1! Six months ago (when I was at approx 80GB of songs) I probably would have thought that you were nuts. Six months later and I'm at over 200GB. Hmm. And that's with mostly mp3 320cbr files! Make it 500GB once converted to flac if I ever get around to that. So yeah, agreed: more space = more options!
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Why would you convert MP3 to FLAC? You can't add stuff that isn't there. 
 
Jun 8, 2013 at 12:43 AM Post #750 of 3,609
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lin0003 said:
Why would you convert MP3 to FLAC? You can't add stuff that isn't there. 
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I didn't mean that I would convert mp3's to flac. I meant re-rip my CD's to flac.
 
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