Creative Sound Blaster new series Z, Zx & ZxR
Sep 21, 2015 at 10:21 AM Post #3,001 of 3,462
Thanks for all the additional information!
 
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You can set everything in Windows at 100% and then adjust with the ACM, but IME that tends to leave too little room on the control for easy-to-drive cans (low impedance does not always mean easy to drive, just to point that out).
 

So if i would set Windows at 50% I'd have more room on the ACM for easy-to-drive cans, right?
 
Sep 21, 2015 at 11:58 AM Post #3,002 of 3,462
  So if i would set Windows at 50% I'd have more room on the ACM for easy-to-drive cans, right?

 
Yep, for sure. I often set it to ~25% for IEMs. Some people will tell you never to set your Windows volume to anything other than 100%, or 99%, or 80%. I've found the claims about volume to be pretty much exaggerated through objective testing. The short version is that 100% volume appears to be better most of the time, and you'll lose a couple % of performance by reducing the volume (far less than you'll ever perceive).
 
Sep 21, 2015 at 12:09 PM Post #3,003 of 3,462
So if i would set Windows at 50% I'd have more room on the ACM for easy-to-drive cans, right?


Yes. Even with my Grados and ATs I don't set it as low as 50%, but that would certainly work too. Having the ability to adjust both Windows/driver volume and the ACM gives you quite a bit of flexibility. Luckbad also raises some good points in his/her post. :)
 
Sep 23, 2015 at 4:17 PM Post #3,005 of 3,462
Sep 29, 2015 at 1:42 AM Post #3,007 of 3,462
You're reading things a bit incorrectly.

The ZxR can power anything from IEMs to 600 Ohm headphones.

I've used it for 16 Ohm IEMs with no noise on up to 300 Ohm Sennheiser HD650s, all with the low gain setting.

If you flip the switch to high gain, it powers 600 Ohm headphones.

There are many kinds of impedance with headphones, amps, etc. It gets confusing.

To me, is roughly the quality (for music) of an ODAC+O2, which I recently sold. Slightly warmer overall. It's also great for gaming.

That said, I have much more expensive amps/dacs for listening to music if I'm not gaming. The ZxR is the best gaming + audiophile sound card out there, but there's better if you just want to listen to music.

you can use 16 ohm IEM only with ACM. 
And ...... if you use 16ohm with a 40ohm amplifier i think the sound should be compromized. I knew the amplifier output impedance shouldn't be greater than the IEM, but should be around 1/8 than IEM impedance for optimal sound.
 
also me can use the 700x with ZXR around 4% volume but the amplifier outpunt is over the IEM.
 
Oct 1, 2015 at 10:47 AM Post #3,008 of 3,462
Hi all,
 
Before I spend £95 on the Zx, can I check it's a suitable move?  It's time to retire my XFi Fatal1ty PCI card. I'm currently on an SLI setup and the PCI soundcard is right next to the PCIE GPU causing it to overheat under load.  I don't have any high end equipment - my speakers are old Z5400THX 5.1 and cans are HD555s.  
 
I use my PC for music, movies and games. 
 
Cheers!
 
Oct 1, 2015 at 11:04 AM Post #3,009 of 3,462
Hi all,

Before I spend £95 on the Zx, can I check it's a suitable move?  It's time to retire my XFi Fatal1ty PCI card. I'm currently on an SLI setup and the PCI soundcard is right next to the PCIE GPU causing it to overheat under load.  I don't have any high end equipment - my speakers are old Z5400THX 5.1 and cans are HD555s.  

I use my PC for music, movies and games. 

Cheers!


The Zx will probably be an improvement for the HD555 since it has a built-in headamp, where the original X-Fi PCI cards do not. For the speakers it will just be different more than anything else - it doesn't have exactly the same processing modes available, but still supports 5.1 and DS3DHW/EAX thru ALchemy (I suspect just as your X-Fi does, if you're using a newer version of Windows).
 
Oct 1, 2015 at 11:05 AM Post #3,010 of 3,462
I have the z in my personal opinion it's a good purchase mostly for gaming the music is decent at best. I have the Dayton 652 speakers with a Dayton 10" subwoofer powered by a leppai amp. It sounds great. But I mostly just game on it and it sure as heck beats the onboard audio.
 
Oct 1, 2015 at 11:08 AM Post #3,011 of 3,462
  Before I spend £95 on the Zx, can I check it's a suitable move?  It's time to retire my XFi Fatal1ty PCI card. I'm currently on an SLI setup and the PCI sound card is right next to the PCI-E GPU causing it to overheat under load.  I don't have any high end equipment - my speakers are old Z5400THX 5.1 and cans are HD555s.  
I use my PC for music, movies and games. 
Cheers!

 
The SB-Zx (or SB-Z) has a better DAC chip then the Fatal1ty.
Also the SB-Zx (& SB-Z) is better at driving headphones, then the Fatal1ly.
 
Oct 2, 2015 at 8:37 AM Post #3,012 of 3,462
Thanks all. Ordered it last night, should be here today. I ordered it to my work and I've just been told it'll be here this evening :/  I finish at 3:30 and it could be any time before 9PM :frowning2:  
 
The only reason I'm ordering a new card really, is because my only free PCI slot is directly beneath my PCIE GPU so it's causing it to massively overheat. I have a free PCIE mini port above the GPU.  This card will also negate the need for a hefty ribbon cable and front IO bay (which I'll actually miss!).
 
If I get it tonight, I look forward to fitting it!
 
Oct 12, 2015 at 1:03 AM Post #3,013 of 3,462
Three questions for you guys...
 
1: My current setup is an SB-Z, Windows and SB-Z control panel set to 5.1 speakers, "play stereo mix to digital output" enabled, and using optical output to my Modi 2 Uber / Magni 2 Uber stack. I get audio, but my currently played games don't really have 3D sound so I just wanted to confirm that I have everything configured correctly.
 
2: When using this setup, the Bass toggle and bar in SBX Pro Studio is disabled. SBX Surround and that horrific Crystalizer still work but I'm kind of curious why bass get's disabled. Assume it has to do with optical out and the stereo mix, but is there any way to adjust bass short of using the EQ? The simple toggle and bar were really convenient when switching between games and music.
 
3: Is there a way that I can enable the center/subwoofer output on the card itself without changing anything about how the headphones are working? I was thinking about picking up a Buttkicker Gamer 2 for my chair. Mixer/output settings somewhere? Perhaps something to do with that bass management/redirection option? Has somebody else has already done something similar and knows for sure? (I don't have any other audio devices to plug in right now so it will take a few days to borrow something and check myself)
 
Oct 12, 2015 at 2:39 AM Post #3,014 of 3,462
  Three questions for you guys...
 
1: My current setup is an SB-Z, Windows and SB-Z control panel set to 5.1 speakers, "play stereo mix to digital output" enabled, and using optical output to my Modi 2 Uber / Magni 2 Uber stack. I get audio, but my currently played games don't really have 3D sound so I just wanted to confirm that I have everything configured correctly.
 
2: When using this setup, the Bass toggle and bar in SBX Pro Studio is disabled. SBX Surround and that horrific Crystalizer still work but I'm kind of curious why bass get's disabled. Assume it has to do with optical out and the stereo mix, but is there any way to adjust bass short of using the EQ? The simple toggle and bar were really convenient when switching between games and music.
 
3: Is there a way that I can enable the center/subwoofer output on the card itself without changing anything about how the headphones are working? I was thinking about picking up a Buttkicker Gamer 2 for my chair. Mixer/output settings somewhere? Perhaps something to do with that bass management/redirection option? Has somebody else has already done something similar and knows for sure? (I don't have any other audio devices to plug in right now so it will take a few days to borrow something and check myself)

 
Did you disable the motherboard's on-board audio, in the BIOS, when you installed the SB-Z?
 
I'm not that knowledgeable about settings for the Sound Blaster Z, but something tells me the "Play Stereo Mix to Digital Output" is not part of the SBX Headphone surround sound feature?
 
You might consider to also ask your Sound Blaster questions on this thread.
http://forums.creative.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6
 
Oct 12, 2015 at 9:47 AM Post #3,015 of 3,462
Three questions for you guys...

1: My current setup is an SB-Z, Windows and SB-Z control panel set to 5.1 speakers, "play stereo mix to digital output" enabled, and using optical output to my Modi 2 Uber / Magni 2 Uber stack. I get audio, but my currently played games don't really have 3D sound so I just wanted to confirm that I have everything configured correctly.


No this isn't entirely right - when SB-Z is set to "Headphones" it will do all the behind-the-scenes trickery for Windows to be "in 5.1" - you just set it to "Headphones" and that is taken care of behind the scenes.

The "Stereo mix to digital output" is required to use an external DAC - that's correct to be set. With the card itself set to 5.1 you may only get the front L/R channels from some material though, as opposed to everything. Set the card to "Headphones" or "Stereo", leave the "stereo mix to digital" engaged, and you're set. IME I've not noticed any difference between "Headphones" and "Stereo" and I think all it's doing is setting relays on the card to enable either the front L/R analog or headphone analog outputs - if you're bypassing those it doesn't seem to make any difference IME. But if you want to be "extra certain" just leave it in "Headphones" mode and Windows will "believe" it is outputting to 5.1, and the Sound Blaster is downmixing to stereo.

2: When using this setup, the Bass toggle and bar in SBX Pro Studio is disabled. SBX Surround and that horrific Crystalizer still work but I'm kind of curious why bass get's disabled. Assume it has to do with optical out and the stereo mix, but is there any way to adjust bass short of using the EQ? The simple toggle and bar were really convenient when switching between games and music.


Because you're in 5.1 - it wants to use the 5.1 crossover settings, which are accessed from Speaker Settings. Since you're only taking the L/R output those channels are unavailable for your playback equipment. Set the card to "Stereo" or "Headphones" and the Bass slider will become available again (and this works via analog or digital out). If your DAC could take DTS or AC-3 (it can't) you could alternately just send out the 5.1 digital signal (go into Encoder and its there) and then adjust bass via the Speaker Settings.

3: Is there a way that I can enable the center/subwoofer output on the card itself without changing anything about how the headphones are working?


No. The card (no sound card, really) is capable of doing an active 2.1 output - you need to take a stereo signal out from the card and cross it over externally, the Buttkicker will provide this functionality on its own, and there are also some headphone amps (e.g. Fischer Amps) that have "shaker output" connections as well. If your DAC or pre-amp has multiple sets of outputs you could also go from there, but that won't be an active crossover (but honestly you don't explicitly need such with headphones and a TT shaker).


I was thinking about picking up a Buttkicker Gamer 2 for my chair. Mixer/output settings somewhere? Perhaps something to do with that bass management/redirection option? Has somebody else has already done something similar and knows for sure? (I don't have any other audio devices to plug in right now so it will take a few days to borrow something and check myself)


You'd want to hook up the line out from the DAC into the Gamer 2 and then feed the output from Gamer 2 into the headphone amp, and it will provide the crossover you need. See Buttkicker's quickstart guide for proper connections: http://www.thebuttkicker.com/downloads/manuals/BK-GR2_QSG-Outlines-Web.pdf



Did you disable the motherboard's on-board audio, in the BIOS, when you installed the SB-Z?


:rolleyes:

I'm not that knowledgeable about settings for the Sound Blaster Z, but something tells me the "Play Stereo Mix to Digital Output" is not part of the SBX Headphone surround sound feature?


"Play Stereo Mix to Digital Output" is Creative's workaround to device selection limits imposed in Vista - under Vista and later you can only have a single audio device selected as the output, and digital and analog outputs from a card are treated separately. In order to enable full DSP functionality, the Creative drivers will just pass the "analog mix" to the digital output, and you can get whatever DSP, EQ, etc features you want. If you didn't engage this, you have to enable the Z's digital output as the output device (in Windows), and some functionality will be unavailable. I don't know on the SoundCore parts if this mix is required for THX/SBX Surround, but on the X-Fi it is required for full CMSS and EAX functionality via digital output.

Asus, Razer, Auzen, etc have implemented their own workarounds to this change in Windows Audio, which don't always mirror Creative's options or settings (e.g. my Razer AC-1 you just "enable digital output" in the drivers).
 

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