V-MODA M-100: Discussion/Feedback, Reviews, Pics, etc.
Sep 7, 2012 at 1:06 PM Post #5,986 of 23,366

Did they get approval from you before posting up detailed pictures?

As with what others have said here, I'm personally not so sure if he did any justice with this review. Not so much as daphen's comment of the reviewer wasn't so "wow-ed" but more that the reviewer misrepresenting that these headphones as being "bright". (Unless you/Gav have changed the signature drastically since I last heard it :wink:).
 
Sep 7, 2012 at 1:34 PM Post #5,987 of 23,366
Well... It's CNET, hardly what I would consider the final word on anything. Heavy bass and designer looks "wow" the layman, I honestly percieve that it takes time and small steps to appreciate an even-handed sound signature that is well controlled and digs nuances out from music tracks. IMO people that dig deep into any interest eventually turn away from CNET. That said, as with any CNET review, you can read between the lines and compare with your hopes and fears, I just think that CNET is too impartial overall to make any solid statements.
Also, keep in mind Singapore and US pricing and product value structures are different, the US $ may be depreciating but it still seems like we get special pricing on a lot of goods.
 
Sep 7, 2012 at 1:51 PM Post #5,988 of 23,366
I'll be satisfied with the M-100s if they sound like the M-80s. I just wanted over-ear haha.
 
Sep 7, 2012 at 1:53 PM Post #5,989 of 23,366
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Did they get approval from you before posting up detailed pictures?
As with what others have said here, I'm personally not so sure if he did any justice with this review. Not so much as daphen's comment of the reviewer wasn't so "wow-ed" but more that the reviewer misrepresenting that these headphones as being "bright". (Unless you/Gav have changed the signature drastically since I last heard it :wink:).

Don't believe what you read is the answer to that one i think!
 
Sep 7, 2012 at 2:20 PM Post #5,990 of 23,366
Well, let's hope he's just not the right guy to do this "preview" then. They do indeed look gorgeous but for me as for many others sound is number one. 
I'm wondering if he's considering the M80's as bright aswell. Would be pretty upset if the M100's are more neutral and brighter than the M80's, I like bass, alot, but the LP2's are a bit over the top for me. Love the M80's though but a bit more emphasis on the lows wouldn't really hurt in my opinion, as long as it doesn't tamper with the mids and highs. 
Worst case scenario I'll just send them back and stick with my M80's, really looking for a nice pair of Over-Ears though, after about 5 hours On Ear phones really hurt even if the M80's are the most comfortable ones I've yet to stumble on to.
 
Sep 7, 2012 at 2:24 PM Post #5,991 of 23,366
About the CNET impression:
 
1) CNET is hardly a source I look to for impressions/reviews from true fans of whatever tech is being looked at. It's kinda the Consumer Reports of the tech world, meaning you shouldn't expect a viewpoint that represents that of a hardcore fan. 
2) It's very short, and it's clear that it was written from a very general perspective that was trying to stay neutral. It's like every short impression of every new phone I've ever read: "Here's the basic facts you need to know, we generally liked/disliked it overall, here's a brief comparison to the company's previous phone, here's when to expect it and for how much".
3) If we've got a spectrum that looks like this: Bassy<<<<<<<<<<Balanced>>>>>>>>>>Bright it's clear that that guy's opinion of where the sweet spot is is shifted to the left of where most of our sweet spots lie. Even most of us who are looking forward to greater bass in the M-100s than the M-80s consider the LP2s to be too bassy. It's funny, because all along I have been saying that I'm more concerned with the M-100s delivering greater detail than the M-80s, and if this guy (whose sweet spot is bassier than mine) thinks the M-100s are brighter and more transparent and balanced than the LP2s (while still having good bass), that's exactly what I've been looking for. Basically, if to his tastes the M-100s are good, then for my tastes they might be great. I'd like to know what he'd think of my KRKs lol.
 
Basically, it's a short impression that really hasn't changed my perception of the M-100s much at all, and I'm still looking forward more to the detailed reviews from sources I tend to trust more. And I'm torn more than ever on what color I like the most haha.
 
Sep 7, 2012 at 3:40 PM Post #5,992 of 23,366
Some reviewers on sites like CNET will write articles like this whatever they are reviewing some Stax or Beats Studios cuz it's their job and are forced to do it... stop overanalyzing people...
 
Sep 7, 2012 at 5:02 PM Post #5,994 of 23,366
So I went to a recently renovated Apple Store in the area and they had the Amperiors on display.

Of course like all of their other headphones, the cable were hooked up to something beneath the display table and connected to a designated iPod Touch. Luckily the Amperior has that odd 2-part cable and I got to listen to it with my source in-person (Sansa Clip Zip + FiiO E7, using no EQ settings and no bass boost on the E7). I must say, I am pretty disappointed with its sound overall. The mids seemed recessed (Sennheiser veil?), the highs were very sibilant to my ears, and the lows were punchy and phat, yet didn't overpower the rest of the sound spectrum; the bass was actually similar in extension and punch to my Sennheiser HD238. Instrument separation was good, but the soundstage was lacking in depth and width (I would not recommend the Amperior for classical music listeners).

I was genuinely surprised to hear the sibilance from the Amperior; and to think DJ's use the HD25-i-ii at loud listening levels? :/ It was quite painful for me to listen to and I'm coming from a "bass light, excessive treble" Shure SRH940. Looking at the Innerfidelity frequency response shows that the Amperior has a wider treble peak, so that might be the reason.

I listened to a variety of music genres (acoustic, alternative rock, Chinese folk, Chinese pop, chiptune, classical crossover, classical, dubstep, electronic, pop, synthpop, symphonic metal) for a good 30 minutes (the employees at Apple didn't seem to care). I don't think I would pay over $200 for them, which puts them on par with the HD25-i-ii's pricing. The isolation and comfort were really good for a supra-aural headphone and that was probably my favourite thing of the Amperior.


^My face when I first heard the Amperior with Chinese folk music

Let's just say that I am hoping the M-100 has clear mids and non-sibilant, but having some sparkle in the highs; judging from M-80 reviews, I think I will really like the M-100 if Val planned the M-100 to have a little more treble and tweaked mids.
 
Sep 7, 2012 at 5:18 PM Post #5,996 of 23,366
Sounds like an HD25 without burn-in (not a huge believer in sound changing drastically with burn-in, but that sibilance subsided with burn-in IME). While I like the HD25s as a total package, I totally agree with the fact that it's kind of crazy DJs will use this headphone (considering they have to boost up the volume - I feel bad for their hearing). For portable use on a train, they're great if you listen at moderate volumes. And then the other caveat is the soundstage or lackthereof.
 
When I had the HD25, the M-80 was a relief and the perfect complement with much better soundstage. Needless to say, I am really looking forward to the M-100.
 
Sep 7, 2012 at 6:49 PM Post #5,997 of 23,366
Not overly deep, but everything in that CNET article came up aces in regards to my inclinations!  Admittedly, the term "bright" often prompts reservation, but pending the "no treble peaks" philosophy rings (or rather, doesn't ring) true there's no cause for concern.
 
Sep 7, 2012 at 7:02 PM Post #5,998 of 23,366
congrats on passing the 400th page and 6000th post you guys :)
 
Sep 8, 2012 at 1:41 AM Post #6,000 of 23,366
When non-audiophile calls something bright I instantly think them mean more detail. I had people call my miles davis tributes, and B&W p5's "Bright" they oth had beats solo's. What I have noticed a lot is that the beats solos are the muddiest and most disgusting sounding headphones that people own and always use them as reference to "Neutral headphones" even some reviewers do which is why I wouldn't trust anyone who isn't an audiophile to review headphones. Also the fact that this cnet guy couldn't even compare these to the m80's which the m100's are truly succeeding goes to show how he doesn't know ****.
 
Then comes to the question of if these are truly "bright". I have swayed away from denon's latest models because they are too bright and sibilance. If the m100 is anymore sibilant then the m80's then that would be a no go and would cause for me to ask for a refund. 
 

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