Audio-gd NFB-10
Nov 22, 2011 at 11:22 PM Post #1,817 of 2,860


 Most of my headphones are single-entry (K701, Pro 900, T50RP), so I'd probably have to drill into the second earcup and whatnot, which seems to be much more risky than I'm willing to get so we'll see. 



The K701 is a 4 wire so it's easy to reterminate- the Pro900 is I believe 3 wire so that needs a recable. I don't know about the T50RP. It's not that hard if you're careful and do your research.
 
Nov 22, 2011 at 11:24 PM Post #1,818 of 2,860


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I don't get all the consternation over the remote.  How far away do you all sit from your NFB-10SE?
 
I intentionally didn't want the remote since I don't see any use for it.



$50 for remote functionality is a great deal (check Bryston's deal for adding a remote), just because you don't need or want one doesn't mean it's not helpful to just about everyone else......
Personally, I would love to trade someone my NFB10SE (stock gain) for a low gain version with remote.
 
Nov 22, 2011 at 11:25 PM Post #1,819 of 2,860
Based by the MCU ROM limited, we can't addition any new funtions in the NFB10SE.
If want more functions, we want to apply the ARM instead the MCU, but we want to design the software, redesign the PCB,  extend the chassis to install the larger control board,  final will  increase the price for the hardware and software cost, which is against to the NFB-10SE spirit. 
So we wouldn't change .
 
Nov 23, 2011 at 10:31 AM Post #1,820 of 2,860


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Based by the MCU ROM limited, we can't addition any new funtions in the NFB10SE.
If want more functions, we want to apply the ARM instead the MCU, but we want to design the software, redesign the PCB,  extend the chassis to install the larger control board,  final will  increase the price for the hardware and software cost, which is against to the NFB-10SE spirit. 
So we wouldn't change .



 Thank you, Kingwa! (I suppose that's a reply to my suggestion regarding balance control on p. 119 of this thread.)
 
I certainly understand that any major addition would defeat the high value-for-money idea behind the NFB-10SE. My point was more general. I think manufacturers should be offering balance control in either DAC's or amps AND explaining the importance of the feature to customers. I get the impression that most people haven't been paying due attention to this matter. Many will eventually, and dramatically, when they notice an imbalance in their hearing.
 
Cheers
 
Nov 23, 2011 at 5:36 PM Post #1,821 of 2,860
I got my unit hooked up last night. The USB installation went off without a hitch, and within moments I had FLAC files pouring through my headphones. 
 
My opinion on these aren't nearly as valuable as others, given my limited experience with other amps and DACs. I'd imagine that most people looking in this market niche is interested in seeing how the NFB-10SE compares to units in its price range (Schiit Lyr, Nuforce Icon HDP), and offerings above its price point (Burson 160DS, Centrance DACmini, Violectric V200) to see if it can achieve that coveted "bang-for-your-buck" designation from a so-called budget brand. I can offer no such impressions. I can give my opinions in an absolute sense, which even I admit is absolutely worthless without the context of comparisons to competitor products. So here's my nickel-short-of-two-cents: 
 
This is the first time that I've really heard my LCD-2s come alive. 
 
When I demo'd the LCD-2s at a local shop, it was being fed by the $800 Musical Fidelity M1-HPA amp. Just a few months before that, I joined this site in search of $150 headphones for commuting, and really didn't understand people that needed to spend $500+ on a headphone set up. After the demo, I bought myself a pair of LCD-2, so needless to say I was *that* impressed. 
 
I didn't have the spare cash to blow on a whole set up at the time, so I got the headphones first and would research amps/DACs later. When I plugged them into my Fiio E7+E9 combo on my desktop, I was immediately underwhelmed. The sound was thin, two-dimensional, and lacking impact. Sure, the tonality was still very much to my liking, and I still immensely enjoyed the headphone, but they didn't have that extra special sauce that floored me when I first heard it. I got a couple of vintage amps to power them as a bedroom rig, and it gained more impact and authority, but it smeared some of the finer details and bloomed the lower mids too much.  
 
I was dead set on a Lyr + Bifrost combo, but seeing olor1n and LiqTenExp give this unit favorable reviews against the Lyr got me intrigued in the NFB-10SE. 
 
In my short time here, I don't quite subscribe to the objectivist notion that volume and low-distortion is all you need (gross oversimplifying, of course). Getting your headphones pumping out a sufficient number of decibels is only part of the story. But, on the other hand, I find that most people here grossly over-exaggerate differences and improvements -- which is natural given that we are all simply splitting hairs over squeezing out that last 10-15%. So, when I read reviews or see comments that something is "significantly improved", I tend to think it's more like 5-10% in the grand scheme of things.
 
With that said, upon firing up the NFB-10SE and connecting my LCD-2, I immediately notice a significant improvement. The first thing I notice is the black background that gives a great sense of space in the upper frequencies. Instruments are much better defined and separated. This increased definition gives better depth in the imaging. Whereas before, the music is laid out in front of me on a canvas -- things now seemed like I put on 3D glasses. I got a better sense of how close Scott LaFaro is to me on the left side of the stage during the classic Village Vanguard performances.On Kind of Blue, I could better pinpoint where each musician stood in the room -- as well as pinpoint where their instruments echo from.
 
I played the first Fleet Foxes album because that was one of the demo CDs that I used when I demo'd the LCD-2 and this album hasn't sounded more alive on my home set up. On busier passages, the depth in the imaging gives a better illusion of space for instruments to fill. On Ragged Wood, one of the faster songs, with lots of vocal harmonizing, I feel like I can place where everyone is in the room. 
 
The impact and slam is back. Drums kick sharply and with authority. Low rumbling bass is no longer polite -- James Blake's "Limit To Your Love" makes my brain curl up in the fetal position. On Metallica's "Enter Sandman", the "BOOM" at 4:28 makes me jump out of my chair. Even on piano, like Brad Mehldau's rendition of "Black Hole Sun", the power and conviction in his chord strikes scream, "I mean business". 
 
This one of the few instances in my short time in this hobby that I've been truly satisfied with one of my purchases. The power on tap gives the LCD-2 a greater sense of control, and it manifests as a more nuanced presentation of the music that is quite significant, imo. After two songs on the NFB-10SE, I stopped trying to listen analytically and just had a few hours rocking out and enjoying my music -- something that I've ironically done less and less of since joining this site. 
 
Regarding the -7dB mod that I ordered with: I haven't had time to extensively listen to most of my headphones but I did just do a volume level check in low and high gain. I believe the gap between them to be too wide for my purposes. I listen to the LCD-2 on volume 6 - 9 on high gain and 32 - 35 on low gain. In trying to lower the gain to accomodate my Grados (which I find pretty good between 23 - 26 on low gain), I've essentially rendered the gain levels impractical for my other headphones. For anyone ordering one, and is considering the gain, I'd probably recommend leaving it at stock values unless you're doing IEMs. 
 
Anyway, sorry for the long-winded post. It just sort of took on a life of its own once I started typing. I just wanted to chime in and say that Audio-GD has a satisfied customer here. Anyone near San Francisco is more than welcomed to come by and give it a demo. 
 
 
Nov 23, 2011 at 5:44 PM Post #1,822 of 2,860
Thanks for the review.  Are you using your LCD-2's balanced or single ended with the NFB-10SE?
 
Edit:  I contemplated ordering my NFB-10SE with the high gain reduced by several dB, but ultimately decided against it.
 
Nov 23, 2011 at 6:00 PM Post #1,823 of 2,860
^ very well written review. Glad you like the unit.
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Nov 23, 2011 at 6:09 PM Post #1,824 of 2,860
Thanks. This is more of a quick (but long winded) first impressions more than anything else. I'm excited about seeing how my other headphones sound out of this. 
 
For now I'm only using the SE jack... which reminds me I should put in my order from MarkerTek soon....
 
 
 
Nov 23, 2011 at 6:20 PM Post #1,825 of 2,860
Thank you for your impressions of the NFB-10SE. We definitely need more of them! As I have heard, this is a wonderful and impressive sounding DAC/amp combo and punches well above its value.
 
Nov 23, 2011 at 9:04 PM Post #1,827 of 2,860


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Thanks. This is more of a quick (but long winded) first impressions more than anything else. I'm excited about seeing how my other headphones sound out of this. 
 
For now I'm only using the SE jack... which reminds me I should put in my order from MarkerTek soon....
 
 


Balanced will give you a different opinion on the low gain IMO. There are instances where IEM's or a device that puts a higher input into the NFB10SE makes it nearly unusable stock. I use it for TV watching 1/2 the time and my DT770/600 balanced is at 1 or 2 (this is not an efficient headphone). The IEM's I normally use for this are too loud SE at 1 or 2 and I have to use an in-line volume attenuater to decrease it further.
These are uses that maybe most will not have though.
I would be more than happy to trade you 
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Nov 24, 2011 at 2:02 AM Post #1,829 of 2,860
I received my 10-SE 5 days after payment had gone through and am listening to it for the first time now.
First of all, I cannot hear a difference between coax-in (from S/PDIF-out of my Xonar STX) and USB-in straight from my motherboard, so for durability and compatibility with Win 7 programs, Im gonna stick with USB via WASAPI in Foobar2000.
The thing I noticed immediatly was the detail, bass control and imaging through my 701s SE. It is a significant improvement over the mellowed-out & somewhat closed in sound of my STX. Listening to Al di Meola's 'Persuit of Musical Rhapsody,' the detail of the acoustic guitar, control over the bass, coherance of the sound throughtout the frequency bands, and the broad soundstage make the NFB-10SE sound so refined and realistic. These characteristics continue to be apparent throughout my music collection and now I can enjoy the music OUT OF MY HEAD... finally
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Some of the music in my collection which I previously thought to be audiophile recordings due to their openness and clarity now don't stand out as they used to, due to the fact that most of my music now sounds that open and clear.
One note, even though I didnt specifically order the DIR9001 coax transceiver, I got it but am not complaining...
An extra 150 hours burn-in should help make the sound a less fatuiging as the new sound is so full of detail that it makes u listen to all facets of ur music again, which can get a little tiring on the ears after hours of enjoyment.
Also, I can't wait til I can hear my headphones balanced after I solder the 4 pin XLR connector to my 701's cable.
Those who might be on the fence, If your coming from a soundcard or want an upgrade from a moderate system, I wholly recommend this little beauty
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I hope I don't fall through the floor when I compare this to my friend's Cavalli liquid fire (with 1962 Siemens Halske E88CC 'Holy Grails' tubes and an Alps RK50 Pot)  running his LCD3s (with Aphrodite silver-clad copper cable), all of which are supposed to be unbelievable in their own rights.
 
Nov 24, 2011 at 2:13 AM Post #1,830 of 2,860
On another note, has anyone done thorough blind/double blind testing between audio files; namely .flac at 44.1/16, 96/24 and .mpc/.ogg/.aac 44.1/16, 96/24 files at 192kb/s? Many people say that they like to keep their vinyl and tape rips in 96/24 flac files for backup, but If they downsampled the bit depth and sample rate to redbook 44.1/16, surely a noted SQ difference is just placebo...
Any thoughts? Does anyone know of threads relevant to this issue, and if so, please post a link..
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