[3X0]

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Now I'm wondering how the J$ pads do...

They are a basshead's delight.

 
Great soundstage improvements too.

 

[Makiah S]

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I just got my W1000X with the L3000 ear pads, and this pretty much sums it up. The pads toned everything down and boosted treble slightly.
 
To my ears, that's just way too much treble, so I immediately switched to stock pads.
 
I'm a (self-admitted) midrange head, so the stock pads sound better to me. Now I'm wondering how the J$ pads do...

I pair my w1000x with a Hybrid Tube, the clear top I use gives me very clean sweet highs, along with the rich warmth of the Tubey mids. So I like my L3000 pads with a hybrid tube

 

[Makiah S]

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They are a basshead's delight.

 
Great soundstage improvements too.

well the L3000 adds to the sound stage as well, but more of a upper range boost
 
And again, the tube adds the warmth back into the mids and smoothes out teh highs. Good air with a nice sweetness to them, the bass is tighter as well
so I'd recommend a hybrid tube for ur L3000 padded w1000x

 

[Bill-P]

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I pair my w1000x with a Hybrid Tube, the clear top I use gives me very clean sweet highs, along with the rich warmth of the Tubey mids. So I like my L3000 pads with a hybrid tube

 
I see. So your amp sort of compensates for the L3000 pads. That's why you like them.
 
I'm amping the W1000X through the Leckerton UHA-6S Mk.II. Everything is silky smooth, except that the treble sometimes makes me cringe. Maybe this is a good chance for me to start dabbling into tube...

 

[3X0]

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I see. So your amp sort of compensates for the L3000 pads. That's why you like them.
 
I'm amping the W1000X through the Leckerton UHA-6S Mk.II. Everything is silky smooth, except that the treble sometimes makes me cringe. Maybe this is a good chance for me to start dabbling into tube...

Where are you hearing the stridency? The J$ Beyer pads smooth out the upper midrange and lower treble a bit.

 

[Bill-P]

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Where are you hearing the stridency? The J$ Beyer pads smooth out the upper midrange and lower treble a bit.

 
Oh no, I meant the L3000 pads. The stock pads sound fine to me, though it's a good bit more uncomfortable than the L3000 pads.

 

[Makiah S]

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I see. So your amp sort of compensates for the L3000 pads. That's why you like them.
 
I'm amping the W1000X through the Leckerton UHA-6S Mk.II. Everything is silky smooth, except that the treble sometimes makes me cringe. Maybe this is a good chance for me to start dabbling into tube...

Indeed, although I have a high tolerance for High range noise. My dt 990's are sometimes not bright ENOUGH for me... espically when I eq the bass up [or maybe I'm veiled to treble... I dunno] 
 
Non the less I dig bright cans, more so than dark. Although I like to aim for the middle with regular music, hence the L3000 tightens the sound sig so that teh tube can enrich it. As the stock pad and a solid state are too... honky for me. The upper mids are forward and the lower mids suffer, with a tube that's improved [but I need the L3000s to tone everything dwn b4 the tube beefs it up!]
 
So yea tubes r nice, sadly me indeed is getting less and less use each day! Poor thing has a little to  much bass for me these days! 

 

[Greeni]

I noticed there appears to be some dissentient views of the W1000X versus the HD600. My private chat with a well versed member who happen to own both W1000X and RS1i tell me this:
 
"I ended up not keeping either; I now only use an HD600 and a BottleHead Crack that I built a few months ago. I find the combination gives me much more than any Grado or ATH headphone, and is a good deal more comfortable."
 
As usual more than anything it reflects our personal preference, but I guess that has something to do as well with the fact that the HD600 demands much more from the amp, which when under-powered do not do justice to these phones. Those who have not properly amped the HD600 will invariably prefer the W1000X. The HD600 is also noticably cheaper in my country.
 
I would appreciate if anyone who heard both offer some comparison. Thanks.

 

[namaiki]

You might be able to get a cheaper W1000X in the for sale/trade section on this forum. I can't comment about the HD600/650 as I have not heard them.

 

[Fearless1]

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well the L3000 adds to the sound stage as well, but more of a upper range boost
 
And again, the tube adds the warmth back into the mids and smoothes out teh highs. Good air with a nice sweetness to them, the bass is tighter as well
so I'd recommend a hybrid tube for ur L3000 padded w1000x

I have the L3000 pads as well, and there is no comparison to the J-money pads, the L3000 pads are much better then those horrible stock pads, but the J-money pads make for a much better listening experience comfort and sound wise.
 
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I noticed there appears to be some dissentient views of the W1000X versus the HD600. My private chat with a well versed member who happen to own both W1000X and RS1i tell me this:
 
"I ended up not keeping either; I now only use an HD600 and a BottleHead Crack that I built a few months ago. I find the combination gives me much more than any Grado or ATH headphone, and is a good deal more comfortable."
 
As usual more than anything it reflects our personal preference, but I guess that has something to do as well with the fact that the HD600 demands much more from the amp, which when under-powered do not do justice to these phones. Those who have not properly amped the HD600 will invariably prefer the W1000X. The HD600 is also noticably cheaper in my country.
 
I would appreciate if anyone who heard both offer some comparison. Thanks.

The HD 600 is far more neutral then the W1000x, I would compare the W1000x to the 650 rather then the 600 based on it's enhanced mid-range. Of course the 600/Crack combo has fantastic synergy (300ohm) and if I owned the Crack I would also pick the HD600 over the W1000x. I myself own some tube amps and some solid state, and with all of my solid state amps I really prefer the W1000x over the HD600 based on the the tone, bass response and clarity. When I use a tube/Hybrid amp, the HD600 or the 650 is where I go.

 

[3X0]

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I noticed there appears to be some dissentient views of the W1000X versus the HD600. My private chat with a well versed member who happen to own both W1000X and RS1i tell me this:
 
"I ended up not keeping either; I now only use an HD600 and a BottleHead Crack that I built a few months ago. I find the combination gives me much more than any Grado or ATH headphone, and is a good deal more comfortable."
 
As usual more than anything it reflects our personal preference, but I guess that has something to do as well with the fact that the HD600 demands much more from the amp, which when under-powered do not do justice to these phones. Those who have not properly amped the HD600 will invariably prefer the W1000X. The HD600 is also noticably cheaper in my country.
 
I would appreciate if anyone who heard both offer some comparison. Thanks.

I've only had the W1000X and newer-generation (silver driver) HD 650s at the same time, but here goes:
 
The HD 650 has more emphasis on the midrange with beautiful midbass and very smooth treble.
 
The W1000X (with J$ pads) has more emphasis on the bass with beautiful midrange and good treble.
 
The latter seems to have more even tonal balance, and it comes off as more clear. The HD 650 sounds much thicker in comparison due to the midrange emphasis. Both do mids beautifully, but differently. The W1000X sounds more spacious with better imaging and clarity, and it's noticeably faster top-to-bottom. It does have some reverb and slow decay at the bottom end due to the woody nature, but it still seems snappier than the 650.
 
While this might come across as paradoxical, the HD 650 sounds "fuller" due to the fat (in a good way) midrange while the W1000X comes off as more complete. The W1000X's treble is just more present and satisfying, and it has extended bass response down to 20Hz. The HD 650 rolls off early.
 
I preferred and kept the W1000X because I felt it was a more versatile sound; the combination of prodigious bass, magical-but-clear midrange and non-sibilant non-recessed treble in a more expansive sound field is hard to challenge. It is engaging like my HF-2s (which I also owned concurrently) were while being far more comfortable, far more spacious and having fuller bass response.
 
The last time I sold the HD 650 (3 years ago, also silver drivers), I liked it so much that I had an intense desire to re-acquire one some time in the future. This time, I have no intention of going back to it as I felt the W1000X is just better for me. The latter just has a very addicting sound to it that is enjoyable even alongside my JH13s. My opinion is that the W1000X and HD 650s are about equals when the former has stock pads, but the W1000X pulls ahead when you get some aftermarket pads to ameliorate its sonic flaws.
 
 
The caveat is that I don't really use tube equipment. My upstream path is described in my signature, and the Nova's headphone output is comparable to a Dynalo. There is a 6922 in-circuit but I've disabled it; the difference with it on is truly subtle. I'd rather my headphone have the desired sound than play around with tubes to achieve what I want. I also have no recollection of what the HD 600 sounds like.

 

[Bill-P]

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I would appreciate if anyone who heard both offer some comparison. Thanks.

 
I have only spent brief time with either headphone, but IMO, it comes down to this:
 
HD600 has a very "even" sound coming from most sources I tried it with (at the SF Bay Area Meet). But without the right source, the low-end is just barely there, the top end is not very sparkly, and the midrange is just so so (unexciting). That was out of my Fiio E12 (which I no longer own). I guess I don't even need to describe how it sounds like out of my iPhone.
 
Now... that HD600 wasn't mine, so I couldn't just take it and plug it into the Bottle Head Crack a couple of tables over. But what I could hear of the Bottle Head Crack was superb clarity, smoothness, space, and resolution, with some added hints of warmth and weight. It sounded marvelous with the HD800, and I don't doubt that it would be able to deliver the HD600 much the same way.
 
I now own a W1000X, and from my brief time with it ("brief" because I haven't gone past 10 hours of head-on time), the sound is lush, smooth, and bright, but slightly warm, and with good impact even unamped straight through my iPhone or MacBook. The W1000X unamped sounds significantly better (more dynamic, more spacious, clearer) than how I could remember the HD600 sounds like. And it's less fatiguing than most HD800 that I have heard thus far. That said, though, I don't think my Leckerton UHA-6S Mk.II does much to the sound (other than making it clearer and smoother), so I'm thinking of some tube amp now. The W1000X sounds like it's craving some serious tube amping.
 
I must say... my personal preference tends to fall toward the W1000X for the coloration in the midrange, and because its tonality is an exact match with my favorite signature: the ATH-ES10. What can I say, I'm a midrange-head! I used to think that I was a bass-head, and even a treble-head at times (when I used to own a DT880), but now I know I'm a midrange-head at heart, and thus... Audio Technica is my signature of choice. To me, this is "neutral".
 
That's to say, I went into this comparison already with a bias, so... please take it with a grain of salt. But what I can say definitely is that unamped, the W1000X does sound much better than the HD600.

 

[Makiah S]

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I have only spent brief time with either headphone, but IMO, it comes down to this:
 
HD600 has a very "even" sound coming from most sources I tried it with (at the SF Bay Area Meet). But without the right source, the low-end is just barely there, the top end is not very sparkly, and the midrange is just so so (unexciting). That was out of my Fiio E12 (which I no longer own). I guess I don't even need to describe how it sounds like out of my iPhone.
 
Now... that HD600 wasn't mine, so I couldn't just take it and plug it into the Bottle Head Crack a couple of tables over. But what I could hear of the Bottle Head Crack was superb clarity, smoothness, space, and resolution, with some added hints of warmth and weight. It sounded marvelous with the HD800, and I don't doubt that it would be able to deliver the HD600 much the same way.
 
I now own a W1000X, and from my brief time with it ("brief" because I haven't gone past 10 hours of head-on time), the sound is lush, smooth, and bright, but slightly warm, and with good impact even unamped straight through my iPhone or MacBook. The W1000X unamped sounds significantly better (more dynamic, more spacious, clearer) than how I could remember the HD600 sounds like. And it's less fatiguing than most HD800 that I have heard thus far. That said, though, I don't think my Leckerton UHA-6S Mk.II does much to the sound (other than making it clearer and smoother), so I'm thinking of some tube amp now. The W1000X sounds like it's craving some serious tube amping.
 
I must say... my personal preference tends to fall toward the W1000X for the coloration in the midrange, and because its tonality is an exact match with my favorite signature: the ATH-ES10. What can I say, I'm a midrange-head! I used to think that I was a bass-head, and even a treble-head at times (when I used to own a DT880), but now I know I'm a midrange-head at heart, and thus... Audio Technica is my signature of choice. To me, this is "neutral".
 
That's to say, I went into this comparison already with a bias, so... please take it with a grain of salt. But what I can say definitely is that unamped, the W1000X does sound much better than the HD600.

I agree I really love my w1000x with a hybrid tube. It adds tot he bass makes the treble more lush and gives air and sweetness to the highs, hybrid tube+L30000 pads=epic. I like the bass just as it is! I wouldn't want any more bass honestly. I'm VERY FINICKY with my bass, for example my dt 990s are ONLY used for EDm and SOME nu jazz because the bass is to much for me! So with the w1000x having a simmilar [but significantly less serve] mid bass hump I wouldn't want to emphasis the bass any more than what it is. Besides I like leaner cans over fatter ones! That's why I sold my Mad Dog for a w1000x, lean clean mid focused machine! 
 
Lastly... why are we compaing the open Hd 600 and 650 to the CLOSED W1000x, even if the Hd 650 sounds better, they don't offer ANY isolation, hence I purcahsed a closed w1000x because I want a little isolation with my can as well as the reverb from the enclousure. U guys r silly, comparing Apples to Kumquats! 

 

[Bill-P]

Well, what do I know? I wasn't getting a good seal!
 
After wrestling with the headband for close to an hour, I finally got a perfect seal with the W1000X. And wow, what a difference!
 
Midrange became thicker, bass became weightier, and treble is no longer intrusive. So I switched the L3000 pads back in, and I'm happy now. There's just a little bit of bass resonance that makes bass less distinct compared to the ES10, but I guess I can do Purrin's mod at any random time to address that.
 
I can hear a difference between the Leckerton UHA-6S and my various sources again. I thought the amp wasn't up to snuff for the W1000X, but I was sorely mistaken.

 

[Makiah S]

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Well, what do I know? I wasn't getting a good seal!
 
After wrestling with the headband for close to an hour, I finally got a perfect seal with the W1000X. And wow, what a difference!
 
Midrange became thicker, bass became weightier, and treble is no longer intrusive. So I switched the L3000 pads back in, and I'm happy now. There's just a little bit of bass resonance that makes bass less distinct compared to the ES10, but I guess I can do Purrin's mod at any random time to address that.
 
I can hear a difference between the Leckerton UHA-6S and my various sources again. I thought the amp wasn't up to snuff for the W1000X, but I was sorely mistaken.

yup, the seal is a pain on that thing. Took me a week and like 17 bends of my head band before i got the correct seal on ym head. An yes once it seals everything get's much better, because it sounds very anemic without a good seal, now once you get seal it sounds overly honky, then the L3000 pads come into play and u find that SWEET spot!