what other headphones have you heard? thats incredibly strange that you say that about the T1 as there are a bunch of phones that are way brighter then it.
 
what i meant was the outer part of the ear (as in the visible ear that sticks out of your noggin ) attentuates and amplifies certain frequencies, the reason headphones roll off steeply at the high frequencies and dip slightly in the mids is because being so close to the ear the sound is not attentuated by the outer parts of the ear, a headphone with a flat frequency response would be incredibly bright. it would be like sticking toothpicks into your ears. i meant if headroom posted the perceived response of headphones, and it was rolled off like that, they would have no highs if they were true to the graph. therefore, i was pointing out that headroom apparently does not post graphs of the perceived response. the only company i know of that does this is etymotic. i am kinda being confusing here, but what i mean is yes, you perceive the same response as shown in the graph, but if you were listening to flat speakers, where the ears could have their EQing effect, that is the response you would perceive and that is what we hear as "flat". 
 
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Well, I'm not sure what you meant if they compensated for human hearing then all headphones would have no highs. I don't mean to be rude but could you put some periods? I mostly only heard the treble on the T1. Everything else seemed recessed.

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yes i have noticed things like this too, certain things (not just foods) effect my hearing sensitivity. the ears actually change response depending on the loudness you hear, in a quiet environment, we are most sensitive to the range of voice. at a high volume, we hear all frequencies at about the same level, this is why people like listening to music loud rather then quiet. ever notice quiet music has no bass and no super high highs?
 
i have noticed that when im tired my hearing is much less sensitive then when im wide awake. things like nicotine and caffeine increase your hearing sensitivity because they trigger "fight or flight" adrenaline which makes you more alert.
 
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Funny you mention that... A couple nights back I ate fried onions at Chili's, and I never eat fried food or anything generally unhealthy and that same evening along with my bloated stomach I couldn't hear any bass in my DT880s. Everything is back to normal now but I wonder if what we eat dictates the music we enjoy, perhaps the uglier we eat the less of the sound spectrum we hear... After my little experience it has me interested and I'm going to look more into it. 

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You can see the headphones I've owned and auditioned in my profile. There's most likely headphones I have heard but I haven't listed of course. The only reason I keep saying T1 is because it's convenient. Many people at least heard of the headphone, but I am definitely not singling it out. IMO, neutral is not bass-lite on low volumes and that's how most open headphones I've heard are with the exception of some headphones like the AD2000 or Stax O2. Of course it's not supposed to be bass heavy, but most open headphones I've tried are definitely light on bass. You can attempt to force you ears to get used to the sound sig to hear more bass, but it's only a temporary solution.
 
OR, you can be like me and just EQ the freakin things lol  IMO, a good EQ with a good amplifier and DAC will solve most synergy issues. Finding a good EQ may cost a bit though, but my PSP Neon HR costed as much as a EML 5U4G tube and in my opinion, the PSP is a far better buy.
 
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what other headphones have you heard? thats incredibly strange that you say that about the T1 as there are a bunch of phones that are way brighter then it.
 
what i meant was the outer part of the ear (as in the visible ear that sticks out of your noggin ) attentuates and amplifies certain frequencies, the reason headphones roll off steeply at the high frequencies and dip slightly in the mids is because being so close to the ear the sound is not attentuated by the outer parts of the ear, a headphone with a flat frequency response would be incredibly bright. it would be like sticking toothpicks into your ears. i meant if headroom posted the perceived response of headphones, and it was rolled off like that, they would have no highs if they were true to the graph. therefore, i was pointing out that headroom apparently does not post graphs of the perceived response. the only company i know of that does this is etymotic. i am kinda being confusing here, but what i mean is yes, you perceive the same response as shown in the graph, but if you were listening to flat speakers, where the ears could have their EQing effect, that is the response you would perceive and that is what we hear as "flat". 
 


 

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I also noticed that when I become emotionally agitated or when I want some excitement, I definitely prefer a heavy V shaped frequency.

I prefer a neutral signature with slightly emphasized bass. So... coloured?

i like neulored

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Neutral with slightly bumped up bass and treble. Can't go wrong with that, it's the perfect blend of accuracy and fun.

Personally, I go for neutral, or close to it, although there are other, possibly more important characteristics to consider, for example, speed, sound stage, transparency, dynamics, and so on.

I definitely prefer lightly colored to moderately colored.  Anything neutral is something i try to stay away from.  If you are a critical listener and need to monitor for some professional use, then you need absolutely neutral headphones...but I just cant hear why people enjoy neutral cans for music.  
 
Too colored is also bad for music, there needs to be some remnants of what the original recording showcased.

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Neutral doesn't have the excitement I like out of my music. I've heard the RE0s, DT880, HD598, K701, PC360 (the most neutral frequency wise, I've heard). None of them sound exciting enough for my preference. Funny thing is, none of these are complete uncolored (though I feel the PC360 is quite close).

It has nothing to down with their strengths or shortcomings. I just don't love neutral. Does that make me less of a music fan than neutral heads? No. We all have our preferences.

I hate the neutral elitism on here. As if they're better than anyone else because they don't like to inject a little fun out of their sound. Fact of life: we like what we like. If there was one way to listen to music, the neutral way, there wouldn't be serious companies like Denon and Beyer making some truly fantastic colored headphones.

Truth is, its a damn pity when colored fans are labeled as potato ears for enjoying music the way they wanna enjoy it.

Gimme a break.

Audiophilia? More like Audiosnobbery.

I like my steak with plenty of sauce. Yeah, I guess I really don't like steak then, right?

 

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Wow. I could not possibly agree more with this. I just had someone tell me the reason I don't enjoy the ultra-neutral T1's anywhere near as much as my D2Ks (and of course 7000s)is because my music is what's boring and unengaging, not the neutral headphones. I cannot believe some of the things people here actually believe. Music is intended to be ENJOYED. If I spent $1300 on my T1s and $250 on my D2000s and I enjoy the music more with my D2000s, how am I wrong? One allows me to sit back and go "Oh yea look I can hear everything very clearly and naturally. That's cool" and the other puts a huge smile on my face, engages me, and causes irresistible headbanging, but somehow I'm "wrong" and it's my own music sucks and in reality neutral headphones are superior? Even when out of the 20 or so headphones, only the truly neutral one provided me with no joy? The snobbery really is ridiculous. Yea the T1 is technically superior, obviously, but so what? If you want to analyze instead of enjoy, by all means knock yourself out.
 
But to infer that the reason my enjoyment of music is greater with an engaging, involving, fun can like the D2000 than the T1 is because my music sucks or because I don't understand high end audio is just unbelievable. I know damn well the purpose of both neutral and colored headphones, and I've owned several high end ones. If you dig the neutral style because you just want to sit back, relax, and hear everything, that's great, enjoy. But there are people like me who find music so joyful that they want to be deeply involved and engaged, and for that only colored "fun" headphones will do. Neither is superior, it is all preference. To say that one is outright superior to the other, and to measure a headphone's "worth" only by neutrality, is exactly the kind of snobbish behavior we need less of. I have both the HD800 and D7000, how are you going to tell me I'm wrong for enjoying the D7000 more? I certainly won't ever say you're wrong for enjoying the HD800s more.It's all about the enjoyment of music: Use whatever headphones allow you to enjoy your music the most and forget the rest. Any talk of "inferior" music, frequency response graphs, neutrality, color, all of that means nothing in the end unless your job revolves around audio engineering, in which case none of this applies to you in the first place.
 

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 technically superior, obviously, but so what? If you want to analyze instead of enjoy, by all means knock yourself out.
 
 

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My favorite description of certain headphones, "technically superior, musically inferior."
 

using my current headphones as an example i prefer neutral headphones to any bass heavy colored headphones i have tried. but at the same time i like treble that stands out a lot. so i prefer neutral with a slight bump in the highs.

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My favorite description of certain headphones, "technically superior, musically inferior."
 

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Damn straight

Colored. I find that it makes music more exciting, but you have to buy a pair of headphones to please all the genres you listen to.(For me that is a lot of headphones). If you ever look at the Superlux catalog. They offer different versions of headphones for more natural and more colored. 

 
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i like neulored

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Most headphones touted as neutral are in fact neulored.