Just listened to some Fostex T50RPs today... WOW!
Oct 1, 2011 at 5:43 PM Post #3,181 of 11,345
Getting the midrange under control after modding them is one of the most difficult things to do with these headphones. 
 


Definitely.. getting the upper mid AND the lower mid spike, simultaneously, smoothed out are the toughest things to do.  They aren't so glaring that it throws off the overall sound.. but everything else is so balanced & natural about these phones that you notice minute spikes and valleys.
 
Oct 1, 2011 at 5:46 PM Post #3,182 of 11,345
If you're that crazy about getting it perfectly flat you could go to work with a frequency generator and parametric equalizer and go from 20-20,000 in like 10 Hz increments until its perfect.
 
Oct 1, 2011 at 5:50 PM Post #3,183 of 11,345


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If you're that crazy about getting it perfectly flat you could go to work with a frequency generator and parametric equalizer and go from 20-20,000 in like 10 Hz increments until its perfect.


While that might work, you can't always carry a high quality parametric EQ with you.
 
 
Oct 1, 2011 at 5:52 PM Post #3,184 of 11,345
What is this carry you speak of... that's why I have a portable set up with a PIMETA v2 amp and Westone UM3x's.  I don't care take my T50RP's away from this couch.  Heh :)
 
Oct 1, 2011 at 5:54 PM Post #3,185 of 11,345


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What is this carry you speak of... that's why I have a portable set up with a PIMETA v2 amp and Westone UM3x's.  I don't care take my T50RP's away from this couch.  Heh :)

LOL!
 
I do take my Paradox with me. Even my avatar got rid of his RS-1's in order to get a Paradox. It's extremely hard to listen to anything else...unless it's a Stax 009.
 
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This:

 
To this:

 
Notice how the resolution, color and tone improved and how you now get more of the picture. The Paradox are amazing.
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Oct 1, 2011 at 5:57 PM Post #3,186 of 11,345
Uhg yeah don't remind me... I'm scared to listen to my UM3x now that I've heard these in all their glory.
 
Oct 1, 2011 at 6:06 PM Post #3,187 of 11,345


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Uhg yeah don't remind me... I'm scared to listen to my UM3x now that I've heard these in all their glory.

Ever since I modded mine I have not listened to another headphone unless I had to review/comment on it.
 
Now...the Stax 009 are another matter. Ideally I would have the 009 as my open headphones and the Paradox as my closed headphones.
 
 
 
Oct 1, 2011 at 6:13 PM Post #3,188 of 11,345
I found and reported on 2 excellent solutions for replacing the stock white felt, but I really appreciate your free modding tip.   
 
I will have to get around to trying your free dryer sheets tip compared to my free BMF tips with free comparison descriptions: use two to three layers of 3M Nexcare flexible clear tape (Transpore Surgical Tape) or Johnson & Johnson Secure-Comfort tape on your "naked" drivers.  These two types of tape are equivalent replacements for the stock white driver felt, providing a quick and easy fix...so easy, even a monkey could do it.  
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LOL! Nice!!!
 
If you guys are looking for a replacement for the white stock felt, I might have found a solution.... 
...use them after they have been used of course.
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Oct 1, 2011 at 6:14 PM Post #3,189 of 11,345
While that might work, you can't always carry a high quality parametric EQ with you.
 


I believe the rockbox parametric EQ is well thought of. Anyone able to comment on that?
 
Oct 1, 2011 at 6:18 PM Post #3,190 of 11,345
I think thats a tangent for another thread... 
 
BMF, I personally think the Nexcare Flexible Tape is not only a suitable replacement for the white stock felt but a sonic upgrade.
 
Oct 1, 2011 at 6:20 PM Post #3,191 of 11,345


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I believe the rockbox parametric EQ is well thought of. Anyone able to comment on that?


It is good but it's not as perfect as a better software or hardware unit.
 
 
Oct 1, 2011 at 6:22 PM Post #3,192 of 11,345
XLNT, wdahm519!  No argument, here.  
 
It's cheap, fast, simple, and very effective.  
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I think thats a tangent for another thread... 
 
BMF, I personally think the Nexcare Flexible Tape is not only a suitable replacement for the white stock felt but a sonic upgrade.



 
 
Oct 1, 2011 at 6:33 PM Post #3,193 of 11,345
CYoung234,
 
With my preferred mods (stock white driver felt in place, Paxmate in the cups, plasticine in the baffles, stock black bass port felt in place covering all 4 vent slots, and Paxmate donut under the ear pads) I was able to sonically match their sound signature by substituting "3M Nexcare flexible clear tape (3M Transpore) in place of the T50RP stock white driver felt.  This tape may be your solution if you mangled your stock white driver felt and want an equivalent to take yours back to stock SQ.  As always, your results may differ.
 
 

 
New and Improved BMF's - Modded set #4
 
Paxmate Plus in cups, Claytoons plasticine in baffles, Stock white driver felt removed, 3 layers of "3M Nexcare flexible clear tape ( aka Transpore )" over the back of the drivers, furniture bumper for reflex dot at center position of driver grid, Stock black bass port felt in place and no additional bass tuning, and a ring of Paxmate under stock ear pads.
 
 
Comparison of BMF mods #4 and CYoung234 mods:  
 
My Comparison set #4 closely matches the sound signature I prefer:  Clear, balanced, and wide soundstage; deep, textured, fast sub-bass in ample quantity that is well controlled without bleeding over into the mids; warm, full, silky smooth and detailed mid-range as if sitting two or three rows back from the center stage; clear, detailed treble extension without fatigue.
 
My set duplicating CYoung234's mods:  The CYoung234 soundstage is similar in width to BMF #4 but depth is pushed back way too far; instruments and vocals sound like I am sitting at the back of the theater 30 or 40 rows from the center stage. The sub-bass is significantly diminished in quantity but not so much in quality; the bass is still textured and fast but not as prominent.  The mid-range is significantly attenuated, compressed, and thin; instruments and particularly vocals sound hollow. The upper mids and treble frequencies are extremely exaggerated making this set Hot and fatiguing to my ears.
 
Conclusion:  Your mods do not offer the SQ  and signature I prefer.  I am happy, though, if your mods provide the SQ and signature you prefer.
 
Next, I will try one layer of 3M flexible clear (3M Transpore) tape over the stock white driver felt.
 
Cheers,
 
BMF
 
Edit 1:  I think that placing 3M Nexcare gentle paper tape (Micropore) and a reflex dot over the stock white driver felt markedly increases back pressure, reduces air flow, and limits diaphragm excursion too much producing the sound signature and sound qualities I described after implementing CYoung234's mods.
 
Edit 2:  I removed the 3M Nexcare gentle paper tape (Micropore) and reflex dot.  Everything else remained the same. I placed one layer of 3M Nexcare flexible clear tape (Transpore) over the stock white driver felt. Transpore had no negative effects compared to the problems caused by Micropore in this set-up.  
 
Transpore tape over stock white driver felt is a mod worth trying if your stock white driver felt is intact and you want to decrease the bass quantity (no effect on quality of the bass), move the vocals and mids to the 3rd or 4th row from center stage, and increase treble brightness.  I think the more favorable results achieved with Transpore, instead of Micropore, over the stock driver felt is due to only slightly increasing back pressure, minimally restricting air flow, and slightly limiting diaphragm excursion compared to stock.  Note:  Transpore tape has numerous perforations whereas Mircopore has none. As always, your results and opinions may differ.


My listening tests seem to confirm what you posted BMF. The high end was okay with this scheme, but I thought the low end suffered too much. I am still trying to decide whether or not to remove the stock white driver felt. My previous mods were very close to what I wanted to achieve, but the phones sounded a bit too dark for me. So I am trying to find something that will brighten the sound up a bit without sacrificing low end deep textured sub bass that doesn't step all over the midrange. So, it sounds like your reference set #4 is more along the lines of what I am looking for.. So, I think what I will do next is simply go back to the stock white material by itself to match your preferred setup and will think about where next to go (if anywhere).

Edit 1: Okay, just tried this, and the bass is definitely back, but they are even darker than before now. Next step will be to add one layer of Transpore over the entire driver.
 
Oct 1, 2011 at 6:59 PM Post #3,194 of 11,345
This is what I was just about to suggest.  
 
Cheers
 
...from the good people at BMFreeLabs  
 
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Edit 1: Okay, just tried this, and the bass is definitely back, but they are even darker than before now. Next step will be to add one layer of Transpore over the entire driver.



 
 
Oct 1, 2011 at 7:13 PM Post #3,195 of 11,345
This is what I was just about to suggest.  
 
Cheers
 
...from the good people at BMFreeLabs   
 


Thanks. Just did that, but they are still too dark for me. They are brighter though, so things are moving in the right direction. You are correct though, that the Transpore does not suck out the mids like the Micropore Tape does. I will probably add another layer of Transpore next.
 

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