Beyerdynamic to launch new top headphone at IFA -- called T1 - Page 5

It has more to do with sensitivity than power. Another way of putting that is that these can probably be driven OK from just an iPod. With a lot of magnetic power, they don't need as much from an amp to sound good.

If you look at highly efficient speakers, like Lowthers, they have massive magnets and lots of flux. That's why you can drive them to ear-splitting levels from a 3W amp while inefficient speakers won't get anywhere as loud from 30W.

The price isn't too bad, either. I've got a few pieces of gear to unload still, so maybe those will go towards a pair.

Just about anyone who owns a tube amp. And there are quite a few of those

Haha, Beyer fiddling with the hi-fi voodoo now? Well it sounds interesting, I love my Beyers so this sounds very very good.

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WTF am I doing drooling over this?? I am happy with my DT150s (and Ultrasones at work) and I don't need to spend more cash... ffs ;(

Glad to see that they continue with their excellent design. DT880/990 fit me best of all the headphones I've tried yet.

^ Henmyr, I am curious about what you think about DT880 vs. HD600. Maybe you can send me a PM or keep it short in this thread?

Mark me down as interested! The DT880 is one of my favorite cans and I'm a fan of Beyer as a whole. So I expect good things from the T1.

I realize people are going to knock recycling the current physical design, but out of all the headphones I've tried (a lot!) I've found the Beyer DT770/880/990 design to be a great mix of comfort, durability, and clamping force. It's comfortable, doesn't overheat my ears, and it'll stay when you move your head around. Very few headphones can do all three.

So I'm glad they used the old design instead of making something new just because it would make for good marketing. As they say (and Uncle Erik would agree with me) "If it ain't broke don't fix it!"

I wonder if the headband material is leather. If it is, hopefully they'll have a non-leather alternative through manufaktur. Looks like it'll be easy enough to replace it with the DT880 pro headband so that would be a simple solution.

The price is a little odd though. 880 Euros? When not 899 or 849? Is the 880 a nod to the DT880? Who knows.

Finally, it would have been nice if it was priced under $1000 as that's a bit of a psychological tipping point for me and I suspect many others. We'll have to see how it's priced in US dollars.

Can't wait for the reviews...or to own one and post a review. Guess I'll have to dig out the CMOY to drive all of those ohms!

AMEN to THAT! The Beyers are *supremely* comfortable cans. I am glad this is not a new design from the perspective of the housing. There is no reason to mess with success there.

Must be, right?

Another voice in agreement there. I love the fit of that design.

I guess only AKG is not releasing a top of the line headphone this year...well it's their loss.

But there is definitely something big in the pipeline. I don't have any exact information but whenever I talked to a guy at AKGs and mentioned the discontinuation of the K1000 I've always been told that I shouldn't be sad about it.
The representative I spoke to at the last years IFA even spoke of a colaboration between AKG and Harman/Kardon (or was it JBL?) to bring out a new a new "consumer gadget" with a price tag of over 3000€ MSRP.
Of course I'll aks again in two weeks.

On the other hand they have always announced their new stuff on the first day of the show. So I think we should wait that long before saying that there is something new coming...or not.

The press release is a bit misleading in that regard. What really affects the sound is the relation between driving force and driven mass. You can either lower the moved mass (like in electrostatic headphones) or increase the force, that moves the diaphragm.
Imagine a car with a stronger motor and bigger brakes. Or the same car stripped down to the blank metal/chassis in order to safe weight. No matter how, both will be able to drive faster lap times because of being able to accelerate and brake faster.
beyer decided to do both but still keep the electrodynamic system which I fully agree with.
It will (theoretically) help the headphone control the diaphragm, resulting in tighter bass and more resolution in the heights (e.g.).

I just hope that beyer doesn't aim for the DT990 sound signature here. Would be a huge letdown IMHO (no offense).

m00h

Ah, you actually have to save the image to view it *face palm* The ear enclosures look to be quite large as with the HD800. I don't know how big the cups are so it's hard to say, but the diaphragms look like they could be a little larger than the standard 40mm. It'll be interesting to see how the "compound foil" makes a difference to the sound, but one thing's for sure; it looks pretty cool from the picture

I agree about the DT990. In fact, I would hope for something diffrenent than any of their phones

Also, great car analogy. A lotus elise, which is incredibly lite, and even though it uses the same size engine as my subaru legacy, it is faster/fast as a ferrari. Or, the ferrari/lamborgini, which is heavy as heck, they just put a huge engine in it.

Interesting, because in the end, the Lotus outhandles the Ferrari by a long shot. And it seems that dynamics will also never be as nimble as electrostats. But a Ferrari probably gets more chicks, just like these beyers will

This is certainly big news. The funny thing for me is that the HD-800s were so un-Sennheiser like in sound (closer to the AKG or Beyer sound?), so I wonder how the T1 will be in comparison to regular Beyers.

This could be good news. I like the DT880/600 and if it's anything like that but a more refined, high-end version it would pique my interest.

That's just marketing speach. Although often repeated, it's not true. «Hobby HiFi» has conducted a series of tests with speaker drivers, with the result that the magnetic field has no impact on transient response except for the bass resonance (→ think TSP).

Nevertheless, a high driving force can offer the possibility to use lower moving mass for the voice-coil without sacrificing efficiency, and that's what seems to apply with the Tesla (from what I read).
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