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post #196 of 502
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Originally Posted by ramus View Post
He said enough??He really said nothing.What we are asking is why it writes hd580 on a HD650.It is that simple.
If you don't know why,then you just don't answer.
As stated, we are not in a error free world and I am enough mature to understand there could be errora at products.All I want to get is a logical and mature answer to my question.
And saying that if you wanna be sure just compare it to another one is just like saying "That don't worry about the fly in your soup.It wont make you sick
and still tastes like a fly-free one."
I simply translated what the sennheiser rep said, don't shoot the translater/interpreter if you don't like the message!

Do you know of any big company admitting production faults at first hand?!
post #197 of 502
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Originally Posted by PiccoloNamek View Post
Because I know that there's just not that much variance between the mechanical functioning of different people's ears. If you want to believe that kind of snake oil be my guest, but don't expect me to buy it, not for one second.

Matters of perception relating to the auditory cortex, such as absolute pitch, are a different story. Some people do have golden brains, but there are no golden ears.

I do believe that people can be trained to be more discerning in their listening habits, but this does not mean they have golden ears.
There is not much difference in function of equipment either, yet people hear the differences.

I for one would never be able to do a 9.74 on the 100 meters!
post #198 of 502
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Originally Posted by ramus View Post
I couldn't have imagined a more disappointing answer than this.It looks like Sennheiser (or at least this guy) doesn't care about the quality and the fame of their products as much as we do.
It is obvious that there is something "wrong" with their "flagship" headphones. I feel like I have to remind you that this is not some kind of ordinary product and after paying that amount of money we deserve at least a more truthful answer which doesn't sound like it is making fun of us.

Thought the new to come sennheiser would be the hd800!
Maybe not the best informed person in the company?!
post #199 of 502
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Originally Posted by kwkarth View Post
All seriousness aside, IMHO, it makes no sense whatsoever to manufacture a driver intended for more than one model of headphone with a part number printed on it for only one. Likewise it also makes no sense for a manufacturer who has stated that the 650 uses a unique driver, different from the HD580/600 to install a driver labeled for the 580.
It's not clear that the whole driver is labeled "HD580" and that the whole driver is from a HD580. Sennheiser could very well have used HD580 magnets if these that are labeled "HD580" are indeed it....as the HD580 is no longer produced, and the magnet would not have changed the way other parts of the driver would.

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Originally Posted by kwkarth View Post
This is not to say Sennheiser couldn't produce an HD-650 using the same driver used in the HD580 and the HD600. They could very possibly do that very thing, through more careful tuning of resonances, reflections and vibrations, and filters. To have done so and declared anything else is deceptive.
It's pretty obvious they did change the driver just because of the way it sounds....the driver housing hasn't changed....but they've stated the diaphragm and the dampening materials have. If the HD650's driver uses the same magnet assembly as the HD580, then I don't think Sennheiser has done anything wrong. Anyway, getting an answer or doing a comparison of an earlier HD650 and a questionable one would be the only way to know for certain.
post #200 of 502
Do the HD580's even have the markings these 650's have? I know mine don't.
post #201 of 502
Checked my HD650s...they don't have the silver damping material..the diaphragm is black and there is no printing whatsoever on driver..I bought this from a headfier who has had it for the past 2 years..guess what you would call first production..
post #202 of 502
bought mine brand new around March 2007. Only have date printed on the driver: 28.07.06.


post #203 of 502
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Originally Posted by Davesrose View Post
It's not clear that the whole driver is labeled "HD580" and that the whole driver is from a HD580. Sennheiser could very well have used HD580 magnets
Or maybe they just used the dust caps from HD580 since that's the only place it reads on.




Right.......
post #204 of 502
To find answers, we must look deep into the past....

back to the year 2004. I found this old post comparing the drivers of the 580 & 650. I looked at my own 580 & 650, and their drivers also exhibit the difference shown in the post.

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showth...95#post1127795

soooo.. if your driver looks like the one in the HD650, then perhaps you really do have a HD650 driver that just says HD580. If, on the other hand, it looks like the HD580 driver.... then uh oh
post #205 of 502
I've not checked later ones, but the first 5 or 6 with this 'error' were European and quite new.
So American owners are unaffected.

If that part of the driver is universal is it quite slack of Sennheiser to leave 'hd 580' showing.
post #206 of 502
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Originally Posted by Chri5peed View Post
I've not checked later ones, but the first 5 or 6 with this 'error' were European and quite new.
So American owners are unaffected.

If that part of the driver is universal is it quite slack of Sennheiser to leave 'hd 580' showing.
Maybe they still had an old stash around and thought to re-use these. Keeping stock is not making money.

As i said earlier and some others; the only way to know is to listen to the 2 different hd650, one early production run and the new error production run and hear for yourself if it sounds different.
post #207 of 502
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Originally Posted by zkn View Post
Or maybe they just used the dust caps from HD580 since that's the only place it reads on.




Right.......
?? ??

OK, I'm done trying to reason in an unreasonable thread......continue to beat chest wildly.
post #208 of 502
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Originally Posted by tourmaline View Post
Maybe they still had an old stash around and thought to re-use these. Keeping stock is not making money.
What did I say? Its slack of Sennheiser to leave 'hd 580' on there. Nothing about using old parts.

Exactly how hard is it to change it? Its in ink, not engrained.



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Originally Posted by Davesrose View Post

OK, I'm done trying to reason in an unreasonable thread......continue to beat chest wildly.
I fail to see how this is an unreasonable thread. We're not Grado-owners you know.
post #209 of 502
So I'm guessing everyone with 580s have verified that their drivers also say HD580 on them?
post #210 of 502
they don't.

they say 650 on the 580s.
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