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Originally Posted by Navyblue /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I'm not sure what you are disagreeing, part of what you are saying is basically what I was saying, In short what I said was:
If there is zero resistance across line out and headphone out, that would mean that there is no resistors, chips or etc in between, which would mean that signal from dock and headphone out signal are identical.
Can this be faulted?
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what i'm saying is that even if they are both HP out and connected in the dac, there will still be some form of resistance or a capacitor which will make it impossible to determine if they are indeed from the same source without determining the value of each component along the way. a capacitor inline makes it impossible to measure resistance, at least with a continuity test anyway. so not arguing there, but just saying this test would be inconclusive
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If there is resistance across line out and headphone out is not zero, line out signal from dock is not the same as headphone out.
Can this be faulted? |
only if the lineout doesnt go through anything; which like I said is extremely unlikely
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I was merely saying that they are not the same, and I specifically mentioned that "it does not necessarily mean the line out is better." which I meant to take into account of whatever component is in the signal path between the Zune and the dock output. |
agreed
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As for your definition of line out signal, I'm afraid that is not accurate. A signal can still be considered "line level" after passing through amplification and attenuation stage (think pre amp, mixing console and etc.). |
fair enough. I didnt take pre-amplification into account.
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Is the above meant for me? You put it under my quote, but I made no comment about Zune is better or worse than CDP or iMod with VCAP. I certainly wouldn't say that Zune is as good as any decent CDP. I have not heard the iMod so I really don't know. Me making statement based on nothing and trying to pass my personal opinion as something else? |
sorry NO that wasnt meant for you, was a general statement to a couple guys before that had said they found it difficult to tell the difference between their CD players and the ZUNE dock. the VCAP was only mentioned because I can tell the difference between mine and a CD player fairly easily. they arent miles apart, but easily noticeable. see where i'm going?? wasnt meant to stoke the ipod vs. ZUNE thing. and the statement about nothing was the one claiming that
Originally Posted by swanlee
the facts are that the IPOD head phone output is measurably bad, the Zune's is not.
which is unsubstantiated and clearly just an opinion
and just a general statement from me; sorry, late last night I found out something that really made me angry and I guess I was posting MAD and just looking for something to disagree about; not deliberately, but I guess thats what happened . childish I know, but thats how I felt; I wont go into what it was but its been going on for a while and I have realized that my behavior on here of late has been erratic, sometimes provocative and out of character. was actually thinking of making a blanket apology in the members lounge. Either way, sorry for taking the thread off track a bit.
my comments about the test though were only designed to help, because I dont think given the way lineout in these devices are set up that it would be conclusive.