ZMF Aegis Official Thread

May 2, 2025 at 9:50 AM Post #5,581 of 5,602
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Popped back my Tesla 4654s after a couple of months with other EL50/4654 variants. These Teslas have the same clarity/detail as the solid plate, red base 4654s, but sound more neutral. The Teslas are very accurate with excellent, punchy bass. Probably the most neutral take on the awesome 4654 sound, which could be useful for your perfect tube match, depending on the input/rectifier combination.

With tubes it is all about combinations. I already knew this, but one of my recent rolls has just confirmed it again. Also, there is not always logic behind combinations. The U52 rectifier is very clean, refined and detailed, while keeping a natural and lifelike tonality. Brimar 5R4GY or RCA 5R4GY DD in comparison sound less clear (thicker). [I prefer the Brimar versus the RCA 5R4GY DD.] So, one would think, the refined and clear U52 would work better with the mesh plate EL50, which is a bit more 'romantic' sounding than the solid plate, red base 4654. For whatever reason, the U52 works better with the solid plate 4654, offering an amazingly clear 3D space with the highest level of clarity and refinement while still sounding tonally accurate and extremely engaging: my favourite combination so far. Interestingly, the Brimar 5R4GY sounds a little better with the mesh plate EL50s, perhaps because there is a hint of brightness in the Brimar rectifier which the mesh plate EL50s balance perfectly. The mesh plate EL50s have rich and addictive tones, but don't quite have the mid and treble clarity of the solid plate 4654s.

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Reflecting on the recent KT88 and KT90 discussion, I like both of these tube types. Unfortunately, I only tried the TAD bundle KT88s, but I owned the famous Ei KT90 type 2. I generally liked the spacious and balanced sound of the KT88, but preferred other power tubes to it: EL38, EL39, KT90, EL50, 4654. I still hope, one day I will have the chance to try a top-of-the-line KT88, like GEC. For a balanced and spacious presentation these could be awesome. Regarding the Ei KT90s, I really loved those. Good tonality with excellent accuracy, detail, dynamics and refinement. More detailed than most power tubes I tried. Unfortunately, they do not sound the most spacious. Soundstage is a bit narrow and the sound, while accurate, can be a bit thin and tonally not as rich as some other power tube options like EL39s for instance. They are still fantastic though, regardless.

Initially I enjoyed the EL38s, (especially for £40 a NOS pair). These sound super spacious with a lot of air and large images. Unfortunately, they are not very detailed or refined: they sound a bit hazy in comparison to other power tubes. I consider the EL39s a better version with more tonal richness. In fact, the EL39s might be the most tonally rich power tubes I have tried on the Aegis so far. I enjoyed these, but again the EL50/4654 variants offer almost if not the same level of clarity/refinement as the KT90 and almost if not the same level of tonal richness as the EL39s. The best of both worlds to me for now, but I cannot emphasise enough that it all depends on your preference (sonic and music genre) and your tube combinations for best synergy.

Venturing into EL50/4654 territories to me felt like a step up from every other power tube I heard previously. They pretty much have the detail and accuracy of the KT90, but sound more spacious, like KT88s. Tonally they are also rich and natural. Perhaps KT90 has a bit more accuracy, but EL50/4654 sound more spacious and tonally richer, more natural. This is true for every EL50/4654 variants I tried.
Tesla being the most neutral; mesh plate, red base EL50 the most romantic and tonally rich; but not quite as airy and detailed as Philips/RT 4654 solid plate. Solid plate/red base 4654s offer the clarity of the Teslas, but with a richer tonality, somewhere halfway towards the mesh plate EL50s.

I have noticed that many of the rectifiers can increase clarity and detail most of all, but some loose tonal balance in doing so. The U52 has a lot of detail and refinement, but one might find them a bit thin compared to other good and more common rectifiers like the RCA 5R4GY DD or Brimar 5R4GY. The less clear a rectifier is, the more bass quantity it seems to have: not clarity and definition, but quantity. This was the most obvious on the Svetlana winged C 5U4G rectifier. Someone recommended this Svetlana as a cheap alternative to GZ34. I have my doubts now. The Svetlana is a fun a and bassy rectifier, but when it comes to clarity and refinement it is really 'entry level'. Hopefully I will try a GZ34 metal base soon, so I can check for myself.

Combinations matter, and what works and doesn't work can be slightly unexpected and heavily subjective.
The thing is that all these tubes and tube combinations are wonderful! Rolling tubes is about refining your enjoyment, having some fun and enjoying the ride, enjoying music. Have fun, guys!
 
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May 2, 2025 at 2:37 PM Post #5,582 of 5,602
This last week has been spent with GEC KT88 1958 top getters, ECC35 and Mullard GZ34 Fat Base F31. I’ve mainly been listening to Rock/Pop this week and this combo really does work very well for this genre.

Before this, I only briefly tried this combo as the MB GZ34 turned up. The MB certainly wins in terms of spatial technicalities and absolute resolution but the FB counters that with more weight and lovely tonal balance and still very detailed. The bass has texture and the mids and highs are all there with a very nice liquid feel to them.

Compared to the 4654 Mesh Plate the KT88 soundstage doesn’t feel quite as limitless but, the stage is still large and has a lively spherical setting with very precise imaging.

The GZ34 Fat Base is certainly a very good pairing…it offers probably one of, if not thee best tonal balance with the KT88 for me in my system. This is great news for those with KT88’s and don’t want commit expenses on the MB GZ34!

I haven’t even got round to swapping the Meze Elite with the AC… KT88 are my favourites for the AC. Maybe tomorrow… I just can’t bring myself to change anything at the moment!!

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May 2, 2025 at 3:08 PM Post #5,583 of 5,602
Just to piggy back on what’s been said. I chose the fat base f31 gz34 over the metal for what’s been reported on the sound. The fact that it’s a little cheaper is great too. But for me, I’m all about getting the best bass punch and texture out of my Caldera Open. The fat base has a noticeable impact on clarity and resolution while also super charging the output tubes.

So with the Gold Lion kt88, they have just as much clarity as the kt90. They may have a touch less pinpoint accuracy but in my setup it’s like the great qualities of the kt90 are now at their extreme. It’s so pinpoint and punchy, it’s less musical than the kt88. The fat base raised the bar on the kt88 to where they are just right. Detailed and punchy, precise positioning and layering but keep the whole sound together. But I’m going to put the kt90’s back in for a while to see how I really feel after listening for several albums vs back and forth.

But as mentioned, think I’m done buying tubes. I decided to complete my cable upgrade and get a pair Vovox Excelsus interconnects and another power cable. I have one using on the Aegis and believe it helps with overall performance. Could be placebo but just getting a better flow of things.

Edit: so within the first few seconds I can tell I already like the Gold Lion kt88 over the kt90. I’m playing Local H - All the Kids are Right. It’s just not sounding as enjoyable with the kt90. Almost harsh and too separated. The kt88 is sweeter with hint more warmth and more cohesive. But I’ll give it a longer listen. It’s just sounding too precise. Now listening to Halo Benders - Virginia Reel Around the Fountain and once again not as enjoyable. It’s still really good but as said almost harsh in comparison.
 
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May 2, 2025 at 4:31 PM Post #5,584 of 5,602
I have to wonder how the Gold Lion KT88 does vs the Apos Ray Select? Anybody have both?
 
May 2, 2025 at 5:46 PM Post #5,586 of 5,602
Will receive Reserve KT88 tonight.....can't do burn in until Monday.....days off......
Have Gold Lion KT88 also in system.....
Will run later and see.....
Won't do, I have the Reserve KT88s and they sound nothing like the Selects.
 
May 2, 2025 at 5:58 PM Post #5,587 of 5,602
Trying my Gold Lion kt88 with the RCA 5R4GY and it’s lusher and richer than the fat base gz34, it’s really nicer sounding combo. However I had to turn up the volume a little bit and think even then it’s less dynamic than the gz34. Not as punchy. So doesn’t work as well with my mostly alternative rock collection but I could see how could be better for other music. You hear the drums but just don’t feel them like with the gz34. But it’s a lot cheaper and maybe it punchier with dynamics? But does have great tone.

It’s actually not too bad though. Trying again with Local H - All the Kids are All Right and it rocks out better than the EI Kt90 and gz34. Little less punch than the fat base and Gold Lion but enough to get foot tapping. The electric guitar sounds really good. This combo close 2nd to using the fat base. Have RCA 5691 as input whole time.

Edit: after spending more time with 5R4GY, I started to miss the fat base gz34. This is most noticeable on Massive Attack - Pray for Rain. The tight, controlled bass is much better with the fat base. It’s very visceral. You’re experiencing the music instead of just listening to it.
 
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May 3, 2025 at 9:13 AM Post #5,590 of 5,602
Finally got my hands on a pair of EL50 mesh plates and copper post 7F7s.

I am really enjoying this roll with RCA 5R4GY DD getter rectifier.

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Pairs very well with my AO, AC and BC. I found that it doesn’t pair very well with CO though.

I have 3 types of 7F7 tubes and I think out of the 3 I’m enjoying the copper post one the most (not really sure how to identify the other 2).
The copper post soundstage is slightly more intimate compared to the other to but I feel it makes up for it with the added texture and richness that it brings. I find it a very good match for pop / rock.
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From left to right in order of preference. Copper post, black plate, grey plate.
 
May 3, 2025 at 11:05 AM Post #5,591 of 5,602
Will a 61mm wide KT88(PSVane ACME) fit in the Aegis?
 
May 3, 2025 at 5:06 PM Post #5,592 of 5,602
Finally got my hands on a pair of EL50 mesh plates and copper post 7F7s.

I am really enjoying this roll with RCA 5R4GY DD getter rectifier.

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Pairs very well with my AO, AC and BC. I found that it doesn’t pair very well with CO though.

I have 3 types of 7F7 tubes and I think out of the 3 I’m enjoying the copper post one the most (not really sure how to identify the other 2).
The copper post soundstage is slightly more intimate compared to the other to but I feel it makes up for it with the added texture and richness that it brings. I find it a very good match for pop / rock.
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From left to right in order of preference. Copper post, black plate, grey plate.

I’m curious where you found the copper post version. I get people asking me sometimes. I’ve been reduced to recommending bulk buys from dealers.
 
May 3, 2025 at 5:14 PM Post #5,593 of 5,602
I’m curious where you found the copper post version. I get people asking me sometimes. I’ve been reduced to recommending bulk buys from dealers.
I messaged some sellers on eBay and asked if they had any. Only 1 said they did. The rest didn’t.
 
May 3, 2025 at 10:53 PM Post #5,594 of 5,602
Neither Brent Jessee nor Surplus NE have any Sylvania 7F7s left in stock. Really hard to find any now. I've been looking.
 
May 4, 2025 at 9:11 AM Post #5,595 of 5,602
Every now and then, a tube roller gets lucky and finds a tube combo that scales above the rest. . .

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Output - Philips Miniwatt 4654 Mesh Plates
Input - Sylvania 7F7 Black Carbonized Plates
Rectifier - Mullard 5U4G Black Welded Plates w/ Inverted Trough Getter

This combo is so freaking magical with the CC's it’s insane!

There is bass slam that can startle you, with punch and grip for days, with excellent note weight, and you literally feel it. Thick lush mids with harmonic richness, and texture that again you can literally feel. The detail and resolution is through the roof. There is excellent extension on both ends with deep reaching subbass and sparkly yet still super smooth highs, and the most expansive and holographic staging I have ever heard. The imaging and staging is so damn magical it's a religious experience. I have leveled up in all regards, and the sound is truly breathtaking. Heck, the sound is so engaging, I have become addicted and can't get anything else done! :o2smile:

This amp scales seemingly endlessly, and truly rewards one when you find the right tube combo.

PS - Keep an eye out in the Classifieds if you are in the US, as there is going to be a least one (maybe two) GEC U52 rectifiers for sale at a very good price later today. :grin:

Lastly, the tubes I am using might be rare, but I actually scored both these pairs pictured below in the past couple of weeks, so just keep being diligent (multiple times daily) with your searches. Set up some notifications on ebay, and this is what can happen. I scored backups of my favorite tubes, and all is right with the world now. $20 for the 7F7 and $100 for the 4654, and these tubes can hang (smoke), any thing out there. 😁

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HAPPY LISTENING!
 
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