[mhamel]

 
This box is not light in weight and reeks quality through and through - rack ears not removable. 
 
I measure 19x10x4

 
The rack ears are not removable on the D16, either, but it's only 1U (1.75") tall, just over 10" deep.

 

[mhamel]

 
My RD3 didn't come with a sub-d AES breakout cable - unfortunately.  But SPDIF is working fantastic.

 
The company that I had make my SPDIF->AES cable can do them... you can probably have a cable made with just a single AES breakout, using excellent quality Mogami cable for not much money at all.

 

[jabbr]

Dilemma:

I use the Mqn software player on 44.1 wav. This player sounds 10 times as good as when the same tracks are played in 96 kHz on Foobar.

Mqn is extremely optimised for KS-drivers and supports KS-drivers only.

FocusRite only offers ASIO-drivers. So I would loose the possibility to use Mqn.

Million dollar question:
Is RedNet going to make up for the loss of SQ, because of loosing Mqn as player, by improving SQ by at least as much by loosing the USB chain?

 

[seeteeyou]

For those of us who are interested in AVB because of that XMOS development board, here's an interesting card for desktops
 
http://echoavb.com/products/streamware-nic-1
 
Links to Streamware for Windows
 
http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0153/2355/files/SetupStreamware_2.1.18.exe
http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0153/2355/files/Streamware_for_Windows_Dec-3-2013.pdf
 
Since it's already sold out, I've been digging deeper to figure out what that's all about. Apparently it's based on Broadcom BCM57766
 
https://www.broadcom.com/products/ethernet-communication-and-switching/ethernet-controllers/bcm57766
 
BCM57766_OEM1       = "Echo Streamware NIC-1"
 

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Drivers on Windows Update
 
http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/ScopedViewInline.aspx?updateid=6db52f26-4645-4be2-bf68-1a8d031a7aff
http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/ScopedViewInline.aspx?updateid=992f9667-230a-4994-a8f5-048fb9c7d7b0
http://download.windowsupdate.com/d/msdownload/update/driver/drvs/2015/09/200006450_512783ffdee009a1bf8b11f926a20842044b54d8.cab
http://download.windowsupdate.com/d/msdownload/update/driver/drvs/2015/09/200006451_4eaec6cd1e65527c5a705f66e77dccf7e34aaa15.cab
 

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I checked the files b57nd60x.inf from the latest driver updates (17.2.0.2) and the same line could be found
 
https://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet-nic-netxtreme-i-desktop-mobile
 
BCM57766_OEM1       = "Echo Streamware NIC-1"
 

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BCM57766 could be found inside 2012 iMac, Mac Mini, and Apple Thunderbolt Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (MD463LL/A)
 
http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MD463LL/A/thunderbolt-to-gigabit-ethernet-adapter
http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Thunderbolt-Gigabit-Ethernet-MD463LL/dp/B011K4RKFW
 
It would be great if there were PCI-Express cards available with the same BCM57766 chipset.

 

[Muziqboy]

  Ugh. I know I'm going to give in...

Come on! You know you wanna!

 

[ccschua]

for the benefits of those with acrobatics system, I wonder if anyone with rednet 3 can try running this off with Windows Server 2012 (minimized server mode, WS 2012 is free at the moment) with foobar.
 
the thing is whether improved OS will improve the sound further or it is "galnically isolated " to software / OCXO clocks.

 

[rb2013]

   
Cheers, I'm glad to hear you took the chance and tried it out.
 
   -Mike

Me too - you were the one to bring this to our attention and fill in a lot of missing details.
 
Thanks!

 

[rb2013]

   
The rack ears are not removable on the D16, either, but it's only 1U (1.75") tall, just over 10" deep.

The D16 has the Brooklyn 2 card right?  What do think is is the major sonic difference from the Brooklyn 1 card?  They seem to have the same clocks.  I know the BK2 can do 44, 48, 88, 96, 176k, and 192k - and the BK 1 does 44, 48, 88, 96 and 193.  So the missing frequency for the BK1 is 176k. 
 
This no issue for me - as I upsample all data to 192k in Foobar using the SoX upsampler.

 

[rb2013]

   
The company that I had make my SPDIF->AES cable can do them... you can probably have a cable made with just a single AES breakout, using excellent quality Mogami cable for not much money at all.

I may do that just to see the difference.
 
Listen last was a revelation!  Wow - just breath taking.  I'll note in my office system I noticed this ease and flow, but not as dramatic a change in SQ as in my main system.

So to really hear this sea change in SQ you will need a highly resolving system.
 
I have to say I'm floored again - at how important this digital data stream is - astounded at the SQ changes.  Same DAC, same Amp, same speakers.   This really is where the action is.

 

[rb2013]

Dilemma:

I use the Mqn software player on 44.1 wav. This player sounds 10 times as good as when the same tracks are played in 96 kHz on Foobar.

Mqn is extremely optimised for KS-drivers and supports KS-drivers only.

FocusRite only offers ASIO-drivers. So I would loose the possibility to use Mqn.

Million dollar question:
Is RedNet going to make up for the loss of SQ, because of loosing Mqn as player, by improving SQ by at least as much by loosing the USB chain?

10 times - that's alot.

 

[rb2013]

  For those of us who are interested in AVB because of that XMOS development board, here's an interesting card for desktops
 
http://echoavb.com/products/streamware-nic-1
 
Links to Streamware for Windows
 
http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0153/2355/files/SetupStreamware_2.1.18.exe
http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0153/2355/files/Streamware_for_Windows_Dec-3-2013.pdf
 
Since it's already sold out, I've been digging deeper to figure out what that's all about. Apparently it's based on Broadcom BCM57766
 
https://www.broadcom.com/products/ethernet-communication-and-switching/ethernet-controllers/bcm57766
 
BCM57766_OEM1       = "Echo Streamware NIC-1"
 

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Drivers on Windows Update
 
http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/ScopedViewInline.aspx?updateid=6db52f26-4645-4be2-bf68-1a8d031a7aff
http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/ScopedViewInline.aspx?updateid=992f9667-230a-4994-a8f5-048fb9c7d7b0
http://download.windowsupdate.com/d/msdownload/update/driver/drvs/2015/09/200006450_512783ffdee009a1bf8b11f926a20842044b54d8.cab
http://download.windowsupdate.com/d/msdownload/update/driver/drvs/2015/09/200006451_4eaec6cd1e65527c5a705f66e77dccf7e34aaa15.cab
 

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I checked the files b57nd60x.inf from the latest driver updates (17.2.0.2) and the same line could be found
 
https://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet-nic-netxtreme-i-desktop-mobile
 
BCM57766_OEM1       = "Echo Streamware NIC-1"
 

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BCM57766 could be found inside 2012 iMac, Mac Mini, and Apple Thunderbolt Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (MD463LL/A)
 
http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MD463LL/A/thunderbolt-to-gigabit-ethernet-adapter
http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Thunderbolt-Gigabit-Ethernet-MD463LL/dp/B011K4RKFW
 
It would be great if there were PCI-Express cards available with the same BCM57766 chipset.

Great stuff!  On the NIC card - I guess the AVB is only for internal PC use only.  I don't see any digital out.

 

[jabbr]

The D16 has the Brooklyn 2 card right?  What do think is is the major sonic difference from the Brooklyn 1 card?  They seem to have the same clocks.  I know the BK2 can do 44, 48, 88, 96, 176k, and 192k - and the BK 1 does 44, 48, 88, 96 and 193.  So the missing frequency for the BK1 is 176k. 

This no issue for me - as I upsample all data to 192k in Foobar using the SoX upsampler.

One interesting advantage would be that it is the sample rate used for DSD64 in DoP-format.
It is also the highest sample rate available for proper DSD to PCM conversion.

 

[wushuliu]

Burl would need to add a power supply to a custom Brooklyn card, correct? We're talking a standalone unit, not some kind of add-on? Hopefully that should still be doable <$500... I'm going to hold off on a getting a rednet until I hear more about a smaller option.

 

[rb2013]

One interesting advantage would be that it is the sample rate used for DSD64 in DoP-format.
It is also the highest sample rate available for proper DSD to PCM conversion.

You mean 192k? 

 

[jabbr]

10 times - that's alot. :wink_face:

Yes, give or take 0.5

But as I saw you coming with such a reply I did a listening test specifically for it.
And the result was that I could not bear to listen to 96kHz on Foobar. Sorry if it sounds harsh, but i found it totally uninvolving and muddled, whereas Mqn plays with absolute clarity, great level of detail and very well balanced from deep bass to high frequencies. It is also very, very lifelike e.g. very well noticeable on percussion instruments like woodblocks or rims of drums where it gives a great sense of attack.

I must say I have optimised my OS by, amongst other things, syncing the NTTimerResolution and the size of the USB driver buffer for the F1 which I find greatly improves SQ.

It is a shame forum talk cannot really convey what one is actually hearing.

I might just try a Rednet D16 for a few weeks, as I found a dealer who has a 60-days return policy, as I am much attracted to the AOIP concept.
So maybe the proof has to come from the eating of the pudding. A shame I will need to buy a new 2-port NIC to try though.

Cheers